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Because until this thing gets diffused and dissected by everyone and their mothers, the law is likely to view it as publication of confidential trade secrets, a

Because until this thing gets diffused and dissected by everyone and their mothers, the law is likely to view it as publication of confidential trade secrets, and people who can be confirmed to be spreading such things can get federal time, e.g. [1] for example. Using a VPN is the barest of mechanisms to try to obscure your identity to avoid this sort of punishment. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204409004577158713934267648 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204409004577158...

fastball 6y ago
Right but if you just download without seeding, no crime is being committed, yes? So seems like the barest you can do is "disable seeding", not "use a VPN".
- crdrost 6y ago
  IANAL and you should probably contact yours about such things but a straightforward reading suggests that because you knew you were downloading something likely illegally gotten, you are in fact on the hook for downloading it. “Misappropriation” means: (i) acquisition of a trade secret of another by a person who knows or has reason to know that the trade secret was acquired by improper means; or (ii) disclosure or use of a trade secret of another without express or implied consent by a person who (A) used improper means to acquire knowledge of the trade secret; or (B) at the time of disclosure or use knew or had reason to know that his knowledge of the trade secret was (I) derived from or through a person who has utilized improper means to acquire it; (II) acquired under circumstances giving rise to a duty to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (III) derived from or through a person who owed a duty to the person seeking relief to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (C) before a material change of his position, knew or had reason to know that it was a trade secret and that knowledge of it had been acquired by accident or mistake.
- theon144 6y ago
  Depends heavily on the jurisdiction, I am afraid. This exact case was used as a precedent where I'm from (Czech Republic) that no, merely downloading over BitTorrent still constitutes "sharing copyrighted material".
  - jhgb 6y ago
    Presumably that was because BitTorrent sends data even before receiving 100% of it? But I assume that downloading these files would not be allowed in this case anyway as per Zákon č. 121/2000 Sb. §29 (2) since this is not a published work.
- nvr219 6y ago
  Ahem. Not seeding is a crime.
- dgellow 6y ago
  The only place I know where that would be the case is Switzerland, there downloading copyrighted material isn't illegal (and companies aren't allowed to track IPs of people downloading files via torrent), but sharing is. But in the context of a data leak of confidential trade secrets, that's likely to be a completely different situation.
Aaronstotle 6y ago
I think there's a big difference between selling chemical secrets to a hostile government and this torrent. Namely, that no one is selling this information, it's available to anyone who can grab a magnet file.
- dgellow 6y ago
  Here is the real thing: are you confident enough in your statement to argue that way when confronted by your government (or whatever is the concerned body here)? If yes, then feel free to do whatever you want with your free time and bandwidth, but otherwise you're better to stay as far as possible from these data.
  - getoffmyawn 6y ago
    well in any case thanks for FUDge-packing this discussion and sharing your opinion which is based on nothing. i'll make sure to credit you as my partner-in-crime after I get my door kicked in for downloading files on the internet.
    - mafriese 6y ago
      I notice that you have no one in your circle of acquaintances who has illegally downloaded movies about torrents and got caught. I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Germany friendly people ring your doorbell and take everything that is connected to electricity :). And if there is any data in there that is very damaging to Intel, then I think they will take the trouble to look for these people (at least in certain countries)
      - getoffmyawn 6y ago
        i'm sorry you live in a hellhole country and your friends don't understand how bittorrent works. maybe one day you can immigrate to a second-world country and grow some cojones, but until then you should continue living in fear and scaring your peers from downloading leaks early when there aren't fed trackers.

fastball 6y ago

Right but if you just download without seeding, no crime is being committed, yes? So seems like the barest you can do is "disable seeding", not "use a VPN".

crdrost 6y ago
IANAL and you should probably contact yours about such things but a straightforward reading suggests that because you knew you were downloading something likely illegally gotten, you are in fact on the hook for downloading it. “Misappropriation” means: (i) acquisition of a trade secret of another by a person who knows or has reason to know that the trade secret was acquired by improper means; or (ii) disclosure or use of a trade secret of another without express or implied consent by a person who (A) used improper means to acquire knowledge of the trade secret; or (B) at the time of disclosure or use knew or had reason to know that his knowledge of the trade secret was (I) derived from or through a person who has utilized improper means to acquire it; (II) acquired under circumstances giving rise to a duty to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (III) derived from or through a person who owed a duty to the person seeking relief to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (C) before a material change of his position, knew or had reason to know that it was a trade secret and that knowledge of it had been acquired by accident or mistake.
theon144 6y ago
Depends heavily on the jurisdiction, I am afraid. This exact case was used as a precedent where I'm from (Czech Republic) that no, merely downloading over BitTorrent still constitutes "sharing copyrighted material".
- jhgb 6y ago
  Presumably that was because BitTorrent sends data even before receiving 100% of it? But I assume that downloading these files would not be allowed in this case anyway as per Zákon č. 121/2000 Sb. §29 (2) since this is not a published work.
nvr219 6y ago
Ahem. Not seeding is a crime.
dgellow 6y ago
The only place I know where that would be the case is Switzerland, there downloading copyrighted material isn't illegal (and companies aren't allowed to track IPs of people downloading files via torrent), but sharing is. But in the context of a data leak of confidential trade secrets, that's likely to be a completely different situation.

Aaronstotle 6y ago

I think there's a big difference between selling chemical secrets to a hostile government and this torrent. Namely, that no one is selling this information, it's available to anyone who can grab a magnet file.

dgellow 6y ago
Here is the real thing: are you confident enough in your statement to argue that way when confronted by your government (or whatever is the concerned body here)? If yes, then feel free to do whatever you want with your free time and bandwidth, but otherwise you're better to stay as far as possible from these data.
- getoffmyawn 6y ago
  well in any case thanks for FUDge-packing this discussion and sharing your opinion which is based on nothing. i'll make sure to credit you as my partner-in-crime after I get my door kicked in for downloading files on the internet.
  - mafriese 6y ago
    I notice that you have no one in your circle of acquaintances who has illegally downloaded movies about torrents and got caught. I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Germany friendly people ring your doorbell and take everything that is connected to electricity :). And if there is any data in there that is very damaging to Intel, then I think they will take the trouble to look for these people (at least in certain countries)
    - getoffmyawn 6y ago
      i'm sorry you live in a hellhole country and your friends don't understand how bittorrent works. maybe one day you can immigrate to a second-world country and grow some cojones, but until then you should continue living in fear and scaring your peers from downloading leaks early when there aren't fed trackers.