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Every time I hear about this dude I only can remember that he publicly rescinded the offer of an engineer who asked in Quora on whether he should take an offer

Every time I hear about this dude I only can remember that he publicly rescinded the offer of an engineer who asked in Quora on whether he should take an offer from Zenefits or an offer from Uber. A harmless and rightful question that many people do ask themselves when considering an offer (taking x or y job offer) and the dude treated it like it was some sort of cult loyalty matter. I hope he has learned from his past mistakes since he seems pretty smart and driven. I just can't stand those cult-like cultures some companies/founders try to create. And I'm talking also about those companies that pose like they are a family and everyone is together no matter what. Drinking their own kool-aid... That's so far from the real transactional nature of a job. To create good working cultures founders should start by realizing that the relationships between employees and employers are no different from the relationship between a buyer and seller. Both parties should seek for transparency, respect and fairness in their relationship. It shouldn't be some sort of lifestyle type of decision and they should never be challenged to pick between their personal life and their professional life. Your employees will never be as passionate as you're about the mission's company so if you want them to really stick and do their best, start by realizing they are not you.

dvt 6y ago
> Every time I hear about this dude I only can remember that he publicly rescinded the offer of an engineer who asked in Quora on whether he should take an offer from Zenefits or an offer from Uber. Hah, same here. I'd avoid the guy like the plague as an employee (and maybe even moreso if I were an investor). Not to mention that Zenefits was marred by a few HR scandals, too. Just goes to show it really must be "who you know."
- stopachka 6y ago
  re: "who you know" -- this may indicate the opposite. Consider how "looked down" this kind of investment would be, if the CEO has a bad record. Yet, they still invest -- why? Because they think they will make a good return
  - majormajor 6y ago
    "Who you know" is about people being treated certain ways by the people they know regardless of reputation or underlying attributes.
anitil 6y ago
While obviously terrible behavior on the part of Zenefits, it highlight that there's a weird line you have to walk as a potential employee. You need to pretend that you are 100% committed to the new company, even when you barely know them. And if you have counter offers you need to maintain that charade while simultaneously keeping open a bidding war. So while that employee was entitled to check their options, their 'sin' was that they did it publicly.

dvt 6y ago

> Every time I hear about this dude I only can remember that he publicly rescinded the offer of an engineer who asked in Quora on whether he should take an offer from Zenefits or an offer from Uber. Hah, same here. I'd avoid the guy like the plague as an employee (and maybe even moreso if I were an investor). Not to mention that Zenefits was marred by a few HR scandals, too. Just goes to show it really must be "who you know."

stopachka 6y ago
re: "who you know" -- this may indicate the opposite. Consider how "looked down" this kind of investment would be, if the CEO has a bad record. Yet, they still invest -- why? Because they think they will make a good return
- majormajor 6y ago
  "Who you know" is about people being treated certain ways by the people they know regardless of reputation or underlying attributes.

anitil 6y ago

While obviously terrible behavior on the part of Zenefits, it highlight that there's a weird line you have to walk as a potential employee. You need to pretend that you are 100% committed to the new company, even when you barely know them. And if you have counter offers you need to maintain that charade while simultaneously keeping open a bidding war. So while that employee was entitled to check their options, their 'sin' was that they did it publicly.