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Is releasing this legal? It seems like this person isn't really disguising their identity or concerned about breaking the law. In their profile they even seem t
by gabcoh 6y ago
Is releasing this legal? It seems like this person isn't really disguising their identity or concerned about breaking the law. In their profile they even seem to brag about leaking company's code.
- dleslie 6y agoOf course it's not legal. This is exfiltrated intellectual property being shared without license.
- gabcoh 6y agoIs the person publishing this liable or just their source? Because this seems to be a hobby for the person publishing it and yet they also aren't concealing their identity. They list their former employer on their website.
- 21eleven 6y agoIs the person publishing it or are they linking people to a place where it is published?
- jpxw 6y agoIt seems that they are the ones publishing it, from the wording of the tweets.
- kmeisthax 6y agoMisappropriating trade secrets for financial gain is a punishable offense, and this data would qualify as a trade secret, at least for as long as it's not general knowledge to everyone or it has yet to be reverse-engineered. Aside from that, much of the data in these files has standard copyright and patent concerns.
- pizza 6y agoOK then, out of curiosity, what are the relevant laws being broken here?
- formerly_proven 6y agoCopyright infringement probably works for them.
- gilgoomesh 6y agoWire fraud and, trade secrets acts are the two that are usually applied in these cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defend_Trade_Secrets_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defend_Trade_Secrets_Act
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- Nasrudith 6y agoWouldn't financial gain limit it to essentially their competitors? Which renders that part irrelevant and is kind of a "no shit" to anyone actually working in processors not to include their stuff in there.
- sroussey 6y agoAlso: financial damage
- whydoyoucare 6y agoMore likely the person publishing this isn't aware of the far reaching consequences.
- jki275 6y agoYou should look up Till Kottman's other work. Very aware.
- dosshell 6y agoWhich country laws does apply? Is it really illegal to share this in the whole world? Im not so sure about that.
- dleslie 6y agoIntel is an American company; so wherever there is an extradition treaty with the USA and where there are also similar laws.
- aflag 6y agoNo country Will extradite their own citizens, though. If intel wants the person punished, they have to sue them in the country they live in.
- deviarte 6y agoNot entirely correct. A lot of Latin American countries do it all the time.
- dleslie 6y ago> No country Will extradite their own citizens, though. This is demonstrably false. While not all of this list are Canadian citizens, some are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_extradited_from_Canada_to_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_extradited_fro...
- refurb 6y agoJust had to remind of Charles Ng, huh? If you have a weak stomach, don’t dig further.
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- johnnyfaehell 6y agoWouldn't the publishing part just be standard copyright infrignement and just a civil matter?
- ldiracdelta 6y agoFor this code it might be export-controlled as well. Many things in Intel are export controlled.
- dcow 6y agoI don't believe this is accurate or in any way obvious even if this is the stance the courts would ultimately take. These files were downloaded from a publicly available CDN server discovered while browsing the internet. No authorization mechanisms were bypassed, no computer systems were hacked. These files are the result of a GET request to an Akamai server that happened to be hosting the files. Despite how this will be spun in pop culture, Intel did not secure access to these files. I'm not sure how you would prosecute someone for re-sharing a file they were given, under no legal contract, when they asked for it.
- zerotolerance 6y agoVerizon and US courts would disagree with you.
- dcow 6y agoLinks? I'm curious about existing case law.
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- meowface 6y agoHere's one example: https://www.wired.com/2013/03/att-hacker-gets-3-years/ https://www.wired.com/2013/03/att-hacker-gets-3-years/ >The two essentially wrote a program to send GET requests to [publicly available pages on] the web site.
- draw_down 6y agoSometimes people break the law!
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- hedora 6y agoStealing it is probably illegal, and there’s a copyright and export regulations argument to be made around copying it. However, my understanding of the law is that, once secrets are made public, further distributing the secrets is not illegal. So, republishing it is probably not more illegal than running a torrent of a Hollywood movie and an Ubuntu ISO (which can run afoul of export regulations). Note: I’m not a lawyer, and if what I said was true in practice, Julian Assange / Wikileaks would have nothing to fear from the law.
- Nemo_bis 6y agoAlso, there are currently hundreds of seeders (according to a popular torrent indexers) and there were probably thousands of snatches. Good luck prosecuting that many people.
- elmo2you 6y agoIn addition to what other people already mentioned (how it is illegal), it may depend on jurisdiction. Also whether the country of origin of the source has an extradition treaty with the USA, or if the USA can otherwise (e.g. extrajudicial kidnappings) get the culprit to stand trial in the USA. EDIT: While it maybe a relatively clear cut case according to US law, other countries (may) have different laws. There are also all kind of potential diplomatic and political obstacles, when this was done by somebody outside of the USA. For instance, good luck if this was a Russian or Chinese citizen.