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In what ways can an end user of intel processor expect to benefit from this? I'm guessing none, since ever consumer interface is already a standard ... Can anyb

In what ways can an end user of intel processor expect to benefit from this? I'm guessing none, since ever consumer interface is already a standard ... Can anybody chime in?

dleslie 6y ago
Optimistically, the exposure of backdoors in the firmware may cause Intel to patch and close them. Realistically, Intel will patch the firmware and replace the backdoors with new ones.
- intelleak 6y ago
  Besides the backdoors I mean, I was thinking about performance or usability improvements...
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Other than disabling security features, Intel already publish extensive optimization manuals, so I don't think there's anything to go on here.
  - eitland 6y ago
    Might finally get certain big PC vendors to consider using AMD which will increase competition and make sure we get better hardware in the future..?
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wmf 6y ago
It would be illegal, but some of that code might help Coreboot development.
- outworlder 6y ago
  > but some of that code might help Coreboot development Unlikely. Most projects won't come anywhere near this sort of thing. There may be a possibility of doing clean room implementation, but writing the spec based on stolen IP is the problematic step. Then again, there is a high chance that none of this will be useful.
  - ATsch 6y ago
    It will be more or less impossible to prove or disprove that anyone obtained some crucial information from there. The info will always somehow make it's way into the places it's needed eventually.
    - dogma1138 6y ago
      It doesn’t matter if it’s provable or not, most developers won’t risk it especially if they want to keep their jobs or be hireable. If you review the content and publish say a blog post, even without legal repercussions it can impact your ability to be hired in the future since everything you do from that point can be tainted. So if you do look you should keep it quite or publish it under a pen name that you can’t ever take credit for.
      - gsich 6y ago
        You can always say you reverse engineered it yourself. Hard to disprove.
      - johnnyfaehell 6y ago
        Say we use the Microsoft Windows code that got leaked, was anyone black listed for that? Also, I would assume other processor companies hire people from other processor companies and everyone all wants the best, most of the basic knowledge would have already made it's way to AMD and other companies.
        dogma1138 6y ago
        But that isn’t basic knowledge, if you work in firmware development, embedded, SOC design etc. and your employer or future employers might be competing against Intel in some market segment (which given the sheer amount of products Intel has isn’t an unlikely scenario) I would be very careful about admitting not to mention publishing content based on this leak. If you work in a completely unrelated field then you don’t need to care as much.
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molticrystal 6y ago
While it doesn't mean it will happen, depending on what is leaked now and in the future, possibilities include: 1. Verify that debug features that are remotely exploitable are actually disabled in consumer releases of their hardware. 2. Re-implement proprietary parts of the boot sequence, such as activating memory controllers, in an open and public manner that can be more easily looked over for flaws, security and otherwise. 3. Modify parameters and tweak hardware for additional stability or performance enhancements, especially undocumented or disabled(on lower graded chips of the same architecture) aspects of the hardware that may be present. On the other hand barriers include legal issues depending on what country people working on these originate from, ethical issues, and even industry barring, and this is not exhaustive. Consumers, especially consumers in countries not concerned about the legal aspects will likely gain the most advantages, if any are present.

In what ways can an end user of intel processor expect to benefit from this? I'm guessing none, since ever consumer interface is already a standard ... Can anybody chime in?

dleslie 6y ago

Optimistically, the exposure of backdoors in the firmware may cause Intel to patch and close them. Realistically, Intel will patch the firmware and replace the backdoors with new ones.

intelleak 6y ago
Besides the backdoors I mean, I was thinking about performance or usability improvements...
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Other than disabling security features, Intel already publish extensive optimization manuals, so I don't think there's anything to go on here.
- eitland 6y ago
  Might finally get certain big PC vendors to consider using AMD which will increase competition and make sure we get better hardware in the future..?
- deleted 6y ago
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wmf 6y ago

It would be illegal, but some of that code might help Coreboot development.

outworlder 6y ago
> but some of that code might help Coreboot development Unlikely. Most projects won't come anywhere near this sort of thing. There may be a possibility of doing clean room implementation, but writing the spec based on stolen IP is the problematic step. Then again, there is a high chance that none of this will be useful.
- ATsch 6y ago
  It will be more or less impossible to prove or disprove that anyone obtained some crucial information from there. The info will always somehow make it's way into the places it's needed eventually.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    It doesn’t matter if it’s provable or not, most developers won’t risk it especially if they want to keep their jobs or be hireable. If you review the content and publish say a blog post, even without legal repercussions it can impact your ability to be hired in the future since everything you do from that point can be tainted. So if you do look you should keep it quite or publish it under a pen name that you can’t ever take credit for.
    - gsich 6y ago
      You can always say you reverse engineered it yourself. Hard to disprove.
    - johnnyfaehell 6y ago
      Say we use the Microsoft Windows code that got leaked, was anyone black listed for that? Also, I would assume other processor companies hire people from other processor companies and everyone all wants the best, most of the basic knowledge would have already made it's way to AMD and other companies.
      - dogma1138 6y ago
        But that isn’t basic knowledge, if you work in firmware development, embedded, SOC design etc. and your employer or future employers might be competing against Intel in some market segment (which given the sheer amount of products Intel has isn’t an unlikely scenario) I would be very careful about admitting not to mention publishing content based on this leak. If you work in a completely unrelated field then you don’t need to care as much.

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molticrystal 6y ago

While it doesn't mean it will happen, depending on what is leaked now and in the future, possibilities include: 1. Verify that debug features that are remotely exploitable are actually disabled in consumer releases of their hardware. 2. Re-implement proprietary parts of the boot sequence, such as activating memory controllers, in an open and public manner that can be more easily looked over for flaws, security and otherwise. 3. Modify parameters and tweak hardware for additional stability or performance enhancements, especially undocumented or disabled(on lower graded chips of the same architecture) aspects of the hardware that may be present. On the other hand barriers include legal issues depending on what country people working on these originate from, ethical issues, and even industry barring, and this is not exhaustive. Consumers, especially consumers in countries not concerned about the legal aspects will likely gain the most advantages, if any are present.