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This seems like an odd thing to say about a company that was caught purposefully slowing down older models

by maxaht 6y ago

thedanbob 6y ago
As I understand it, Apple slowed down certain models to deal with the problem of batteries losing capacity over time. Which actually could give those phones a longer usable life (slower is better than shutting off completely). The problem was they didn't tell people they were doing it.
- mrguyorama 6y ago
  Also usable here should be in pretty big quotes. The phone didn't die and turn off, but it didn't get much done either. It could possibly still make phone calls
  - valuearb 6y ago
    No, the phone was still usable, just slower. If Apple didn’t throttle, the phone would restart every time it’s power requirements outstripped the batteries declining capacity. I think it’s pretty clear which use case is better.
supernova87a 6y ago
That has been explained a bunch of times: Apple gives performance beyond what you would expect for a similar phone, in terms of battery life and responsiveness. Then, as you burn through your battery's age beyond what even other phone manufacturers would warrant, the OS slows down the CPU to let you continue using it. So it's actually giving you more than you would've gotten otherwise. But all the complaints are that iPhone sucks, I guess.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  Be transparent.
  - somehnguy 6y ago
    Move the goalposts
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      Is that really such a bold expectation that when I buy a phone the manufacture will not use hidden software to downgrade the performance without informing me? Your standards are in the basement.
      - GeekyBear 6y ago
        As opposed to this? >the past couple of months have seen a sudden increase in Nexus 6P battery complaints, with many users reporting that their phones suddenly shut down, even though there was plenty of battery life remaining It's not a simple system crash, because your phone will stay dead until you connect it to a charger. https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/nexus-6p-battery-randomly-dying-its-not-just-you-0175625/ https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/nexus-6p-battery-random... That seems especially problematic if you are on the go and need to make an emergency call to summon help. A working phone seems preferable.
        chillwaves 6y ago
        Yes, and what part of transparency is opposed to a working phone? Apple did not have to do what they did in secret. Nothing you have said responds to what I said. This isn't an "Apple vs Android" discussion. Maybe that's where you got confused.
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        GeekyBear 6y ago
        Google didn't provide a working phone. When users complained that their phones died while showing a 50% charge and would not work again until connected to a charger, Google did nothing to fix the problem. >The processor easily overheated, a bootloop bug made quite a few units die prematurely, and lastly, a battery problem surfaced that led to early shutdowns anywhere between 50 and 0 percent. At least the remaining owners of this Nexus device don't have to worry about the latter issue anymore — according to Google, that is. An engineer just marked the early shutdown entry in the company's issue tracker as "fixed." I don't know about you, but when I just retrieved my Nexus 6P from my junk drawer a minute ago, it didn't have an update pending. https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/11/16/nexus-6p-early-shutdown-fixed/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/11/16/nexus-6p-early-shut...
thebruce87m 6y ago
I can’t believe people still perpetuate this distortion of the truth. It has to be malicious by this point.
- maxaht 6y ago
  Is it really too much to ask of a company for them to tell us when they're throttling our phones? Yes, they had a technical reason to do so, but people are right to be skeptical about this when it takes a lawsuit for this to come out.
  - somehnguy 6y ago
    You willfully tried to spread misinformation in your original comment.
    - maxaht 6y ago
      Where did I lie? Apple was hit with a $500 million fine for nothing? I'm not an Apple hater by any means. I understand they had their technical reasons, I was just pointing out the dichotomy between their perceived willingness to support older models and the lawsuit that says they are slowing them down.
      - somehnguy 6y ago
        Right here: >This seems like an odd thing to say about a company that was caught purposefully slowing down older models <END> That is a half truth and considered lying through omission. It's misleading because as written it implies that they slowed down phones without a valid reason, AKA to force upgrades.

This seems like an odd thing to say about a company that was caught purposefully slowing down older models

by maxaht 6y ago

This seems like an odd thing to say about a company that was caught purposefully slowing down older models

As I understand it, Apple slowed down certain models to deal with the problem of batteries losing capacity over time. Which actually could give those phones a longer usable life (slower is better than shutting off completely). The problem was they didn't tell people they were doing it.

mrguyorama 6y ago
Also usable here should be in pretty big quotes. The phone didn't die and turn off, but it didn't get much done either. It could possibly still make phone calls
- valuearb 6y ago
  No, the phone was still usable, just slower. If Apple didn’t throttle, the phone would restart every time it’s power requirements outstripped the batteries declining capacity. I think it’s pretty clear which use case is better.

supernova87a 6y ago

That has been explained a bunch of times: Apple gives performance beyond what you would expect for a similar phone, in terms of battery life and responsiveness. Then, as you burn through your battery's age beyond what even other phone manufacturers would warrant, the OS slows down the CPU to let you continue using it. So it's actually giving you more than you would've gotten otherwise. But all the complaints are that iPhone sucks, I guess.

chillwaves 6y ago
Be transparent.
- somehnguy 6y ago
  Move the goalposts
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    Is that really such a bold expectation that when I buy a phone the manufacture will not use hidden software to downgrade the performance without informing me? Your standards are in the basement.
    - GeekyBear 6y ago
      As opposed to this? >the past couple of months have seen a sudden increase in Nexus 6P battery complaints, with many users reporting that their phones suddenly shut down, even though there was plenty of battery life remaining It's not a simple system crash, because your phone will stay dead until you connect it to a charger. https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/nexus-6p-battery-randomly-dying-its-not-just-you-0175625/ https://android.gadgethacks.com/news/nexus-6p-battery-random... That seems especially problematic if you are on the go and need to make an emergency call to summon help. A working phone seems preferable.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        Yes, and what part of transparency is opposed to a working phone? Apple did not have to do what they did in secret. Nothing you have said responds to what I said. This isn't an "Apple vs Android" discussion. Maybe that's where you got confused.
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        GeekyBear 6y ago
        Google didn't provide a working phone. When users complained that their phones died while showing a 50% charge and would not work again until connected to a charger, Google did nothing to fix the problem. >The processor easily overheated, a bootloop bug made quite a few units die prematurely, and lastly, a battery problem surfaced that led to early shutdowns anywhere between 50 and 0 percent. At least the remaining owners of this Nexus device don't have to worry about the latter issue anymore — according to Google, that is. An engineer just marked the early shutdown entry in the company's issue tracker as "fixed." I don't know about you, but when I just retrieved my Nexus 6P from my junk drawer a minute ago, it didn't have an update pending. https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/11/16/nexus-6p-early-shutdown-fixed/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/11/16/nexus-6p-early-shut...

thebruce87m 6y ago

I can’t believe people still perpetuate this distortion of the truth. It has to be malicious by this point.

maxaht 6y ago
Is it really too much to ask of a company for them to tell us when they're throttling our phones? Yes, they had a technical reason to do so, but people are right to be skeptical about this when it takes a lawsuit for this to come out.
- somehnguy 6y ago
  You willfully tried to spread misinformation in your original comment.
  - maxaht 6y ago
    Where did I lie? Apple was hit with a $500 million fine for nothing? I'm not an Apple hater by any means. I understand they had their technical reasons, I was just pointing out the dichotomy between their perceived willingness to support older models and the lawsuit that says they are slowing them down.
    - somehnguy 6y ago
      Right here: >This seems like an odd thing to say about a company that was caught purposefully slowing down older models <END> That is a half truth and considered lying through omission. It's misleading because as written it implies that they slowed down phones without a valid reason, AKA to force upgrades.