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Why should I, as a power company, be forced to pass through power that is used to support people who I think don't vote according to my political party? You ca

Why should I, as a power company, be forced to pass through power that is used to support people who I think don't vote according to my political party? You can always start your own power company if you fancy the other political party.

kypro 6y ago
I think this was the point OP was making. It's sarcasm. He's mocking those that believe service providers like Facebook and Youtube should be able to discriminate against content they dislike. If YouTube are allowed to regulate content because they're a private company and "go build your own", then by the same logic, why can't the ISPs?
- aerovistae 6y ago
  Uh I do not think it was sarcasm.
  - kypro 6y ago
    Even so, it's interesting that the opinion was downvoted. I've seen people here make that exact same argument with much praise when the topic is whether or not Facebook should be allowed to regulate user submitted content. I suppose whether or not its sarcastic isn't that important. What's more interesting why there appears to be a kind of hypocritical support for net neutrality, but an opposition to neutrality on global communications platforms like Facebook?
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      Not just downvoted, but flag killed. I don't agree with the comment you're referencing, but I vouched for it to get it unflagged. The presentation may be a little hyperbolic, but it's not an insane position prima facie.
    - jdkfkror 6y ago
      Meme thoughts. Fashionable thoughts. Group think. Vista sucks. Windows 7 is awesome. IE sucks. Get everyone on Chrome. Wait, Chrome sucks, get everyone on Firefox. Nuclear energy good, Electron bad. Do Not Track is bad because it is enabled by default. Firefox is awesome because it blocks trackers by default. Net neutrality is good. Facebook needs to block content. China needs to stop blocking content. Nobody actually thinks, they just spread the same memes.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        Is this not itself a meme?
      - calmworm 6y ago
        What is right today may not be tomorrow. It's not the case of "nobody actually thinking" for them to take in new information and make new decisions. It's just the opposite.
- tenebrisalietum 6y ago
  Youtube is like a business that uses the services of a power utility, like I do for home. I can go to another business, but likely neither me nor the business can choose another power company. Also it is not the power company's fault if the business denies me access to merchandise in that business.
  - kypro 6y ago
    What if I own a business that reports on the news in video format? I'm forced to use the services of YouTube as they're the only video hosting service with a global reach thanks to network effects. What if after 5 years of running a successful business on YouTube they decide they don't like my reporting on COVID-19 and ban my business from their service? Why should I care about net neutrality potentially limiting access to my website which only receives a few visits a day? The reality is it's far more damaging to an online business today to not have a high search ranking on Google and a good following on YouTube and Facebook -- without this you're invisible on the web, you may as well not exist.
    - tenebrisalietum 6y ago
      Network effects are a form of compounding asset. It's possible to have a billion dollars, and use the interest on that money in the bank to do other things. If we don't consider this situation wrong, we can't consider network effects wrong. Also Youtube is not required to access anything needed for survival or civic functioning. No one is forcing those people to sign up for YouTube. There is nothing stopping anything from thinking long term, planting seeds, and creating their own network effects and getting people off of YouTube. > Why should I care about net neutrality potentially limiting access to my website which only receives a few visits a day? Above is why.
    - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
      There are lots of ways to host video content that have global reach. What you don’t get is youtube’s discoverability. So you would have to be more creative about finding your audience.
- chillwaves 6y ago
  Because Facebook is not the internet?
baddox 6y ago
I think the specific policies regulating service providers ought to be implemented on a case by case basis depending primarily on the amount of power that the service provider has in practice. There's typically only one power company in a region, and that's why we generally require them to offer their service with no discrimination. But if someone owns a small hardware store and doesn't want to rent generators to the local KKK group for their annual outdoor convention, and that means the KKK group has to go to the next town over to get their generators, I'm not particularly bothered.

kypro 6y ago

I think this was the point OP was making. It's sarcasm. He's mocking those that believe service providers like Facebook and Youtube should be able to discriminate against content they dislike. If YouTube are allowed to regulate content because they're a private company and "go build your own", then by the same logic, why can't the ISPs?

aerovistae 6y ago
Uh I do not think it was sarcasm.
- kypro 6y ago
  Even so, it's interesting that the opinion was downvoted. I've seen people here make that exact same argument with much praise when the topic is whether or not Facebook should be allowed to regulate user submitted content. I suppose whether or not its sarcastic isn't that important. What's more interesting why there appears to be a kind of hypocritical support for net neutrality, but an opposition to neutrality on global communications platforms like Facebook?
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Not just downvoted, but flag killed. I don't agree with the comment you're referencing, but I vouched for it to get it unflagged. The presentation may be a little hyperbolic, but it's not an insane position prima facie.
  - jdkfkror 6y ago
    Meme thoughts. Fashionable thoughts. Group think. Vista sucks. Windows 7 is awesome. IE sucks. Get everyone on Chrome. Wait, Chrome sucks, get everyone on Firefox. Nuclear energy good, Electron bad. Do Not Track is bad because it is enabled by default. Firefox is awesome because it blocks trackers by default. Net neutrality is good. Facebook needs to block content. China needs to stop blocking content. Nobody actually thinks, they just spread the same memes.
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      Is this not itself a meme?
    - calmworm 6y ago
      What is right today may not be tomorrow. It's not the case of "nobody actually thinking" for them to take in new information and make new decisions. It's just the opposite.
tenebrisalietum 6y ago
Youtube is like a business that uses the services of a power utility, like I do for home. I can go to another business, but likely neither me nor the business can choose another power company. Also it is not the power company's fault if the business denies me access to merchandise in that business.
- kypro 6y ago
  What if I own a business that reports on the news in video format? I'm forced to use the services of YouTube as they're the only video hosting service with a global reach thanks to network effects. What if after 5 years of running a successful business on YouTube they decide they don't like my reporting on COVID-19 and ban my business from their service? Why should I care about net neutrality potentially limiting access to my website which only receives a few visits a day? The reality is it's far more damaging to an online business today to not have a high search ranking on Google and a good following on YouTube and Facebook -- without this you're invisible on the web, you may as well not exist.
  - tenebrisalietum 6y ago
    Network effects are a form of compounding asset. It's possible to have a billion dollars, and use the interest on that money in the bank to do other things. If we don't consider this situation wrong, we can't consider network effects wrong. Also Youtube is not required to access anything needed for survival or civic functioning. No one is forcing those people to sign up for YouTube. There is nothing stopping anything from thinking long term, planting seeds, and creating their own network effects and getting people off of YouTube. > Why should I care about net neutrality potentially limiting access to my website which only receives a few visits a day? Above is why.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    There are lots of ways to host video content that have global reach. What you don’t get is youtube’s discoverability. So you would have to be more creative about finding your audience.
chillwaves 6y ago
Because Facebook is not the internet?

baddox 6y ago

I think the specific policies regulating service providers ought to be implemented on a case by case basis depending primarily on the amount of power that the service provider has in practice. There's typically only one power company in a region, and that's why we generally require them to offer their service with no discrimination. But if someone owns a small hardware store and doesn't want to rent generators to the local KKK group for their annual outdoor convention, and that means the KKK group has to go to the next town over to get their generators, I'm not particularly bothered.