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And it will be crap. What I want, and I'm sure a lot of other devs interested in making C# GUI multi-platform apps, is an UI framework à la Flutter that display

And it will be crap. What I want, and I'm sure a lot of other devs interested in making C# GUI multi-platform apps, is an UI framework à la Flutter that display the same thing everywhere. In the days of Electron apps not having a native look and feel is not a really problem anymore. The saddest thing is that Microsoft actually offered that years before: Silverlight Out-of-Browser applications, that where running the same on Windows and Mac OS.

nbevans 6y ago
There are rumours of a Flutter back-end coming for Xamarin.Forms/MAUI. Or possibly a something lower level in Windows itself (which a MAUI back-end could tap into).
pjmlp 6y ago
Electron is just a phase like Active Desktop and XUL, its time is coming to pass in this fashion driven industry. Flutter is Dart Rails, the last hope to save Dart.
rubber_duck 6y ago
Silverlight was good for it's time but nowadays I would rather code in whatever popular JS/HTML framework - the live reload beats any C# flow hands down in iteration time and the fact that I can just reverse proxy my local dev env while working on something to a designer speeds up design tweaks a bunch.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Or just use OpenSilver, thanks WebAssembly. https://opensilver.net/ https://opensilver.net/
  - rubber_duck 6y ago
    That sounds like it would make the development iteration even more terrible than it was - WASM builds were slooow last time I tried it - with webpack in HMR mode or flutter you get instant feedback - this is probably the biggest productivity boost in UI development - I've yet to see anything from .NET offer similar performance, I suspect it would be challenging due to the static nature of IL.
headmelted 6y ago
What you’ve just described is absolutely the opposite of what I want. Mobile apps have very different requirements than desktop apps, not least as the metaphors are wildly different. macOS, Windows and X all have fairly similar window layouts and behaviours. iOS and Android have sharply different layouts and behaviours. Yeah there’s a bit of overlap now, but even navigation is different.

nbevans 6y ago

There are rumours of a Flutter back-end coming for Xamarin.Forms/MAUI. Or possibly a something lower level in Windows itself (which a MAUI back-end could tap into).

pjmlp 6y ago

Electron is just a phase like Active Desktop and XUL, its time is coming to pass in this fashion driven industry. Flutter is Dart Rails, the last hope to save Dart.

rubber_duck 6y ago

Silverlight was good for it's time but nowadays I would rather code in whatever popular JS/HTML framework - the live reload beats any C# flow hands down in iteration time and the fact that I can just reverse proxy my local dev env while working on something to a designer speeds up design tweaks a bunch.

pjmlp 6y ago
Or just use OpenSilver, thanks WebAssembly. https://opensilver.net/ https://opensilver.net/
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  That sounds like it would make the development iteration even more terrible than it was - WASM builds were slooow last time I tried it - with webpack in HMR mode or flutter you get instant feedback - this is probably the biggest productivity boost in UI development - I've yet to see anything from .NET offer similar performance, I suspect it would be challenging due to the static nature of IL.

headmelted 6y ago

What you’ve just described is absolutely the opposite of what I want. Mobile apps have very different requirements than desktop apps, not least as the metaphors are wildly different. macOS, Windows and X all have fairly similar window layouts and behaviours. iOS and Android have sharply different layouts and behaviours. Yeah there’s a bit of overlap now, but even navigation is different.