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Yet, no one seems to care what is unloaded from the ship docks, literally a "Port" where 98% of the goods are manufactured in one country including the entire s

Yet, no one seems to care what is unloaded from the ship docks, literally a "Port" where 98% of the goods are manufactured in one country including the entire supply chain that spans behind those goods.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
That's debatable. On Intellectual Property Rights alone, U.S. Customs and Border Protection has this to stay about seizures, arrests, and convictions in 2019 alone: US$1.5 billion 256 arrests and 197 convictions https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/ipr/statistics https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/ipr/statistics
- fermienrico 6y ago
  Not talking about IP problems, just the sheer number of things around you that are made in China are imported into the country.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    Right, yeah, pretty much everything is made in China, Vietnam, Thailand, and Bangladesh. And Indonesia, as an Australian I notice that quite a bit. I dunno, they all seem to be fairly reasonable people, the one's I've met. Hard.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    It's unlikely my craftsman plumbers wrench is going to exfiltrate my personal data off my private home network.
magicsmoke 6y ago
And all the tools that make those goods and the IP behind them is owned by the US. Stuff like semiconductor equipment, CPU designs, and electronic design automation software, and China has to pay license fees every time it uses them to manufacture a product. China is desperately trying to achieve technology independence because it knows that it has few comparable replacements if the US decided to completely close access to its technology tomorrow. It's not impossible to move manufacturing out of China. After all, it's already been done once before when it moved out of the US. However, it's not proven that China can reach technological independence. Japan and South Korea were able to make the jump to high tech industries but they're still very tied to US technologies. However, a better indicator of who has the technology lead than commercial applications in my opinion is if China can replicate US military technology, for example build an equivalent or better to the F35.
- JetSpiegel 6y ago
  The US can't build the F35 either, considering all the cost overruns, delays, basic issues found late in the project.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago

That's debatable. On Intellectual Property Rights alone, U.S. Customs and Border Protection has this to stay about seizures, arrests, and convictions in 2019 alone: US$1.5 billion 256 arrests and 197 convictions https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/ipr/statistics https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/ipr/statistics

fermienrico 6y ago
Not talking about IP problems, just the sheer number of things around you that are made in China are imported into the country.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  Right, yeah, pretty much everything is made in China, Vietnam, Thailand, and Bangladesh. And Indonesia, as an Australian I notice that quite a bit. I dunno, they all seem to be fairly reasonable people, the one's I've met. Hard.
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  It's unlikely my craftsman plumbers wrench is going to exfiltrate my personal data off my private home network.

magicsmoke 6y ago

And all the tools that make those goods and the IP behind them is owned by the US. Stuff like semiconductor equipment, CPU designs, and electronic design automation software, and China has to pay license fees every time it uses them to manufacture a product. China is desperately trying to achieve technology independence because it knows that it has few comparable replacements if the US decided to completely close access to its technology tomorrow. It's not impossible to move manufacturing out of China. After all, it's already been done once before when it moved out of the US. However, it's not proven that China can reach technological independence. Japan and South Korea were able to make the jump to high tech industries but they're still very tied to US technologies. However, a better indicator of who has the technology lead than commercial applications in my opinion is if China can replicate US military technology, for example build an equivalent or better to the F35.

JetSpiegel 6y ago
The US can't build the F35 either, considering all the cost overruns, delays, basic issues found late in the project.