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I think a lot of the beef with "typical Americans" is with your last type. If you get off the coasts you can find a whole bunch of Americans who are seemingly

by jbooth 16y ago

I think a lot of the beef with "typical Americans" is with your last type. If you get off the coasts you can find a whole bunch of Americans who are seemingly proud of not knowing anything about the rest of the world.

jwhitlark 16y ago
Not surprising when you consider that most people came here to get away from something, (poverty, repression, etc.) For no small number of Americans, the rest of the world is a proxy for "that place my ancestors left because it sucked ". The US was isolationist before it got dragged into the world wars, and has become interventionist not because it's interested in conquest, but because the past century has taught it to fear what happens when it's not.
- jbooth 16y ago
  Well, in my experience at least, the people I'm griping about are pretty far from "off the boat". They see themselves as natives, and their ancestors left europe 150 years ago because it was a totally different place then. Not much to do with their current viewpoint on, say, Brazil or China.
  - jwhitlark 16y ago
    The idea I was trying to express is about 3rd, 4th, etc. generation immigrants. By that time, the information the trickles down in your family lore boils down to "it sucked, we left, good riddance". I think the combination of "we left, we kept getting dragged back to fight wars, and we ended up on top" (grossly over-simplified), leads to a unique and odd "background vibe" to the culture, which seems more pronounced in long-term 'natives'. I think people who are more recent are more cognizant of the subtleties that exist.
  - timtadh 16y ago
    You know how people fight over things that happened hundreds of years ago? Its like that. When people who have been here for 100+ years hear about "family history" it often involves stories of say the potato famine in Ireland. While intellectually they understand Ireland is no longer like that (indeed they may even have visited it to get in touch with there roots). Emotionally they have a lasting impression of a America being the promised land. Their ancestors fled elsewhere to come here, thus here must be the best. The main and important exception to this is of course African American's.
    - natnat 16y ago
      And Native Americans.
  - jff 16y ago
    My father's side of the family came to America about 100 years ago from Sweden. They settled in North Dakota, one of the dreaded "flyover states". My great-grandfather apparently didn't tell his children anything about the home country, nor did he teach them Swedish. He wanted them to focus on being Americans, rather than trying to be Swedish. These days, we eat lutefisk on Christmas Eve and that's about it.
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    - jwhitlark 16y ago
      Wow. Aside from the fish, that is exactly the story from my father's side of the family.
grammaton 16y ago
> If you get off the coasts you can find a whole bunch of Americans No, actually you won't. Most of America's population lives within two hundred miles of it's coastlines. This group of proudly ignorant people is therefore much smaller than they're stereotypically thought of being.
- lupatus 16y ago
  Having driven from Richmond, Virginia, to Anchorage, Alaska, twice, I can first-hand confirm that there is a LOT of empty land in the heart of North America. It is because of these trips that I no longer worry about global overpopulation and just look at people quizzically when they start talking about the topic.
  - aaronblohowiak 16y ago
    It isn't empty, it is farmland. Space to live is low on the list of scarce resources that will cap population growth.
protomyth 16y ago
Wow, that's a pretty insulting statement. What is your source for this belief?
- jbooth 16y ago
  It's a statement about stereotypes and why the stereotype is disliked. I can recount some anecdotes that fulfill the stereotype if you'd like.
  - protomyth 16y ago
    I grew up in North Dakota and haven't found anyone who was "proud" of not knowing about the rest of the world. In a lot of circles it is a point of pride to know a whole lot about where your ancestors came from. I find the generalization particularly insulting and mostly untrue.

by jbooth 16y ago

jwhitlark 16y ago

Not surprising when you consider that most people came here to get away from something, (poverty, repression, etc.) For no small number of Americans, the rest of the world is a proxy for "that place my ancestors left because it sucked ". The US was isolationist before it got dragged into the world wars, and has become interventionist not because it's interested in conquest, but because the past century has taught it to fear what happens when it's not.

jbooth 16y ago
Well, in my experience at least, the people I'm griping about are pretty far from "off the boat". They see themselves as natives, and their ancestors left europe 150 years ago because it was a totally different place then. Not much to do with their current viewpoint on, say, Brazil or China.
- jwhitlark 16y ago
  The idea I was trying to express is about 3rd, 4th, etc. generation immigrants. By that time, the information the trickles down in your family lore boils down to "it sucked, we left, good riddance". I think the combination of "we left, we kept getting dragged back to fight wars, and we ended up on top" (grossly over-simplified), leads to a unique and odd "background vibe" to the culture, which seems more pronounced in long-term 'natives'. I think people who are more recent are more cognizant of the subtleties that exist.
- timtadh 16y ago
  You know how people fight over things that happened hundreds of years ago? Its like that. When people who have been here for 100+ years hear about "family history" it often involves stories of say the potato famine in Ireland. While intellectually they understand Ireland is no longer like that (indeed they may even have visited it to get in touch with there roots). Emotionally they have a lasting impression of a America being the promised land. Their ancestors fled elsewhere to come here, thus here must be the best. The main and important exception to this is of course African American's.
  - natnat 16y ago
    And Native Americans.
- jff 16y ago
  My father's side of the family came to America about 100 years ago from Sweden. They settled in North Dakota, one of the dreaded "flyover states". My great-grandfather apparently didn't tell his children anything about the home country, nor did he teach them Swedish. He wanted them to focus on being Americans, rather than trying to be Swedish. These days, we eat lutefisk on Christmas Eve and that's about it.
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  - jwhitlark 16y ago
    Wow. Aside from the fish, that is exactly the story from my father's side of the family.

grammaton 16y ago

> If you get off the coasts you can find a whole bunch of Americans No, actually you won't. Most of America's population lives within two hundred miles of it's coastlines. This group of proudly ignorant people is therefore much smaller than they're stereotypically thought of being.

lupatus 16y ago
Having driven from Richmond, Virginia, to Anchorage, Alaska, twice, I can first-hand confirm that there is a LOT of empty land in the heart of North America. It is because of these trips that I no longer worry about global overpopulation and just look at people quizzically when they start talking about the topic.
- aaronblohowiak 16y ago
  It isn't empty, it is farmland. Space to live is low on the list of scarce resources that will cap population growth.

protomyth 16y ago

Wow, that's a pretty insulting statement. What is your source for this belief?

jbooth 16y ago
It's a statement about stereotypes and why the stereotype is disliked. I can recount some anecdotes that fulfill the stereotype if you'd like.
- protomyth 16y ago
  I grew up in North Dakota and haven't found anyone who was "proud" of not knowing about the rest of the world. In a lot of circles it is a point of pride to know a whole lot about where your ancestors came from. I find the generalization particularly insulting and mostly untrue.