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Seriously. That’s a really extreme position to take. Saving a human’s life clearly and objectively outweighs temporarily disturbing wild animals with increased

Seriously. That’s a really extreme position to take. Saving a human’s life clearly and objectively outweighs temporarily disturbing wild animals with increased noise. Is this seriously even a debate?

Alupis 6y ago
Tough choices have to be made in Rescue teams all the time. Another comment pointed out above that SAR teams routinely abandon searches when it becomes too hazardous. Trading one or more human lives for another isn't worth it in many cases. We do value human life more than animals. This is non-debatable for sure. However, at some point the costs of pursuing a rescue might be outweighed by other factors - one of which might be destruction of wild habitat and/or animals. Like mentioned, we could drain lakes to find lost boaters, but we don't. We could cut down forests to find lost hikers, but we don't. There is some line we won't cross - so we have to find it and debate that particular point if we want to introduce potentially disruptive technology into natural habitats. As an aside - it pains me inside to hear stories like this[1]. A rescue (not the type we're discussing, but still applies), caused 100% by human negligence. The result? The gorilla was shot dead... for... being a gorilla. Was that fair or humane? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Harambe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Harambe
- hluska 6y ago
  I’ve got to compliment you. This is one of the better conversations that I’ve had online in a very long time. You’re a big part of why this has been so enjoyable. Thanks for the fun and for raising so many good points. I was a lot more certain before I started reading you and now I’m not sure. Big respect and thanks again. If you’re interested, here’s an absolute nightmare scenario that actually happened. People were completely unprepared for what they were walking into. It had every chance to end in tragedy, but somehow it worked out okay. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/missing-children-burke-mountain-coquitlam-1.5142571 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/missing-chil...
  - Alupis 6y ago
    A spirited debate now and again is good for the brain. :) It challenges your thoughts and positions, and makes you actually question and rationalize why you think the things you do. On occasion, you realize you were wrong. On other occasions, it enables you to fully develop your thoughts and prepare to rationally support them. Either way, it's healthy, and far preferred to being in an echo chamber hearing only your own thoughts. Thanks for taking the time to participate.
    - hluska 6y ago
      I completely agree with you and I'm absolutely grateful for all the opportunity that people like you give me to escape my own echo chamber. Hacker News has made me a better person, a better developer and given me the tools to become a better parent. I can't say that about any other community I've ever been a part of. Thank you and everyone else for being part of my growth. I love you all unconditionally, but especially because you won't just blow smoke up my ass and let me think I'm smrt. I guess that's maybe not unconditional love, but that's the best phrase I can come up with to explain how I feel about all the wisdom and kindness that I get to experience here.

Alupis 6y ago

Tough choices have to be made in Rescue teams all the time. Another comment pointed out above that SAR teams routinely abandon searches when it becomes too hazardous. Trading one or more human lives for another isn't worth it in many cases. We do value human life more than animals. This is non-debatable for sure. However, at some point the costs of pursuing a rescue might be outweighed by other factors - one of which might be destruction of wild habitat and/or animals. Like mentioned, we could drain lakes to find lost boaters, but we don't. We could cut down forests to find lost hikers, but we don't. There is some line we won't cross - so we have to find it and debate that particular point if we want to introduce potentially disruptive technology into natural habitats. As an aside - it pains me inside to hear stories like this[1]. A rescue (not the type we're discussing, but still applies), caused 100% by human negligence. The result? The gorilla was shot dead... for... being a gorilla. Was that fair or humane? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Harambe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Harambe

hluska 6y ago
I’ve got to compliment you. This is one of the better conversations that I’ve had online in a very long time. You’re a big part of why this has been so enjoyable. Thanks for the fun and for raising so many good points. I was a lot more certain before I started reading you and now I’m not sure. Big respect and thanks again. If you’re interested, here’s an absolute nightmare scenario that actually happened. People were completely unprepared for what they were walking into. It had every chance to end in tragedy, but somehow it worked out okay. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/missing-children-burke-mountain-coquitlam-1.5142571 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/missing-chil...
- Alupis 6y ago
  A spirited debate now and again is good for the brain. :) It challenges your thoughts and positions, and makes you actually question and rationalize why you think the things you do. On occasion, you realize you were wrong. On other occasions, it enables you to fully develop your thoughts and prepare to rationally support them. Either way, it's healthy, and far preferred to being in an echo chamber hearing only your own thoughts. Thanks for taking the time to participate.
  - hluska 6y ago
    I completely agree with you and I'm absolutely grateful for all the opportunity that people like you give me to escape my own echo chamber. Hacker News has made me a better person, a better developer and given me the tools to become a better parent. I can't say that about any other community I've ever been a part of. Thank you and everyone else for being part of my growth. I love you all unconditionally, but especially because you won't just blow smoke up my ass and let me think I'm smrt. I guess that's maybe not unconditional love, but that's the best phrase I can come up with to explain how I feel about all the wisdom and kindness that I get to experience here.