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> The Carolinas seem as far as you can get from Silicon Valley, culturally Why do you think that?

chrisseaton 6y ago
The Carolinas are very Republican. California is very Democrat. That's just one measure. They're also geographically literally the other side of the country.
- allencoin 6y ago
  I was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc. I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.
    - allencoin 6y ago
      Ah, yes, the people that make Apple's iPhones are very pampered.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        That's an argument reducing to absurdity. Every company has an long chain of transitive contractors, and for every company you can work all your way down to the poorest person on Earth, so it's meaningless. I could similarly blame you for the labor conditions of these people - you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? The people that Apple employs are extraordinarily well treated and compensated, and that's a credit to Apple and their labor relations.
        allencoin 6y ago
        > you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? Yes, absolutely, to some degree — do you think I'm not? Even if you don't think so, do you think Apple isn't to some degree responsible for the working conditions of nearly a million employees within the company that it knowingly contracts out to to produce about 200 million iPhones a year? Follow up question: Which American political party do you think would be more likely to condone the above practice, Democrats or Republicans? Basically I'm trying to figure out why you think there's a big cultural difference between Silicon Valley (50 square miles) and "The Carolinas" (85,839 square miles) and why that's meaningful to the wider discussion. Your original comment perplexed me as someone who is familiar with both regions. I agree that they are dissimilar but I definitely don't think they are "as far as you can get ... culturally." Happy to get back to that original subject if you are.
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Happy to get back to that original subject if you are. Original point is: - RedHat has nothing to do with Silicon Valley - geographically nor culturally - RedHat isn't representative of typical Silicon Valley companies - IBM is more of a 'Silicon Valley' company than Red Hat, because it's an old traditional government contractor Therefore the original comment had it backwards, which is confusing. If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that! Because that absolutely isn't what 'Silicon Valley' means.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that No. Most people are perfectly capable of understanding informal, non-literal definitions of words. And I see no need reason to bow down and change easy to understand phases, that nobody is confused about, in order to satisfy people who would basically have to have some sort of extremely hard to overcome language barriers or disorder such that they are not able to understand very common things that people say. If someone claims to not understand what someone means, when they use informal, but common, words such as "silicon valley company", then it is very likely that this person either has some language problems (IE, they are just learning English as a 2nd language), or has some sort very serious autistic disorder such that they are unable to understand non literal definitions because of their mental disorder, or they are instead just being a troll. And none of these reasons are a good enough reason for people to completely change how they talk in every day life, all the time, when they are not dealing with such individuals.
    - threatofrain 6y ago
      What about the company known as Finance? Or Medicine?
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        My peers in finance are expected to be at their desks in the city twelve hours a day wearing a suit, and they earn a basic salary for it. My peers in medicine work 24-hour shifts and earn a quarter of what they do in Silicon Valley and the only catering they get is a dirty microwave. People in Silicon Valley are driven to work, work eight hours, get three catered meals, and take home more money.

The Carolinas are very Republican. California is very Democrat. That's just one measure. They're also geographically literally the other side of the country.

allencoin 6y ago
I was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  > I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc. I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.
  - allencoin 6y ago
    Ah, yes, the people that make Apple's iPhones are very pampered.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      That's an argument reducing to absurdity. Every company has an long chain of transitive contractors, and for every company you can work all your way down to the poorest person on Earth, so it's meaningless. I could similarly blame you for the labor conditions of these people - you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? The people that Apple employs are extraordinarily well treated and compensated, and that's a credit to Apple and their labor relations.
      - allencoin 6y ago
        > you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? Yes, absolutely, to some degree — do you think I'm not? Even if you don't think so, do you think Apple isn't to some degree responsible for the working conditions of nearly a million employees within the company that it knowingly contracts out to to produce about 200 million iPhones a year? Follow up question: Which American political party do you think would be more likely to condone the above practice, Democrats or Republicans? Basically I'm trying to figure out why you think there's a big cultural difference between Silicon Valley (50 square miles) and "The Carolinas" (85,839 square miles) and why that's meaningful to the wider discussion. Your original comment perplexed me as someone who is familiar with both regions. I agree that they are dissimilar but I definitely don't think they are "as far as you can get ... culturally." Happy to get back to that original subject if you are.
        chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Happy to get back to that original subject if you are. Original point is: - RedHat has nothing to do with Silicon Valley - geographically nor culturally - RedHat isn't representative of typical Silicon Valley companies - IBM is more of a 'Silicon Valley' company than Red Hat, because it's an old traditional government contractor Therefore the original comment had it backwards, which is confusing. If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that! Because that absolutely isn't what 'Silicon Valley' means.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that No. Most people are perfectly capable of understanding informal, non-literal definitions of words. And I see no need reason to bow down and change easy to understand phases, that nobody is confused about, in order to satisfy people who would basically have to have some sort of extremely hard to overcome language barriers or disorder such that they are not able to understand very common things that people say. If someone claims to not understand what someone means, when they use informal, but common, words such as "silicon valley company", then it is very likely that this person either has some language problems (IE, they are just learning English as a 2nd language), or has some sort very serious autistic disorder such that they are unable to understand non literal definitions because of their mental disorder, or they are instead just being a troll. And none of these reasons are a good enough reason for people to completely change how they talk in every day life, all the time, when they are not dealing with such individuals.
  - threatofrain 6y ago
    What about the company known as Finance? Or Medicine?
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      My peers in finance are expected to be at their desks in the city twelve hours a day wearing a suit, and they earn a basic salary for it. My peers in medicine work 24-hour shifts and earn a quarter of what they do in Silicon Valley and the only catering they get is a dirty microwave. People in Silicon Valley are driven to work, work eight hours, get three catered meals, and take home more money.