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Sorry I saw an interview where Fauci said that they knew earlier that masks would help but advised not to use them because hospitals needed the PPE. I can't fi

by bargl 6y ago

Sorry I saw an interview where Fauci said that they knew earlier that masks would help but advised not to use them because hospitals needed the PPE. I can't find the interview, I did a search to find articles on it though. https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-because-doctors-shortages-from-the-start-2020-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-mask-advice-was-becaus... He may not have known that regular cloth coverings would help but by discouraging the use of any masks he undercut his argument later. Maybe - He was saying, they knew 95 masks would help but didn't know other masks would. Either way, it feels very dishonest.

birken 6y ago
Ok, you have perfect hindsight knowledge of the situation. Understanding that N95 masks were in short supply, knowing the virus wasn't particularly widespread, but more widespread than people realized and health care providers are on the front lines and dealing with it already. And the science on masks isn't fully understood either in terms of spread or protection. What would you have done, what would you have said? What would have not been dishonest? Also, what are you going to say so you aren't accused of: fear-mongering, overreacting, or being wishy-washy and providing useless guidance?
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Taiwan CDC had perfect foresight knowledge of the situation, then. Of course, most US government agencies have massive Not Invented Here syndrome, but the answer was obvious. And funnily enough, Tech Twitter (the subculture) was full abuzz with this in March. The idea that, in a situation encountering a SARS, that you wouldn't call the guys who beat a SARS is so fundamentally silly. Especially when they're ridiculously friendly to you. That's part of what I love about startups - every successful entrepreneur tries his best at learning from everyone else's successes and failures. It's not enough to learn by yourself, you won't get there in time. So, no, I'm not surprised they couldn't do it because they have institutional cultural failure. I don't think I could do it at the CDC either because of the cultural failure (NIH, Perfectionism, etc.). It's hard to say, we'd have to see the nuances of power in CDC vs NIAID, whether it would be politically viable even for Anthony Fauci to call Chou Jih-Haw, let alone Tsai Ing-Wen etc., and governments aren't like companies where the CEO can just set up a team of people to bypass the normal structures and collaborate with Taiwan. The CDC and gang may be broken beyond repair. I think that's the best defence you can give them.
- bargl 6y ago
  The truth...
themaninthedark 6y ago
I don't know if this is the interview that you are referencing but here is one place where he says it: https://youtu.be/GbfiqxDgOZ0?t=165 https://youtu.be/GbfiqxDgOZ0?t=165 paucity - Scarcity; dearth. I time stamped it to where he makes the statement after the political posturing.

by bargl 6y ago

birken 6y ago

Ok, you have perfect hindsight knowledge of the situation. Understanding that N95 masks were in short supply, knowing the virus wasn't particularly widespread, but more widespread than people realized and health care providers are on the front lines and dealing with it already. And the science on masks isn't fully understood either in terms of spread or protection. What would you have done, what would you have said? What would have not been dishonest? Also, what are you going to say so you aren't accused of: fear-mongering, overreacting, or being wishy-washy and providing useless guidance?

renewiltord 6y ago
Taiwan CDC had perfect foresight knowledge of the situation, then. Of course, most US government agencies have massive Not Invented Here syndrome, but the answer was obvious. And funnily enough, Tech Twitter (the subculture) was full abuzz with this in March. The idea that, in a situation encountering a SARS, that you wouldn't call the guys who beat a SARS is so fundamentally silly. Especially when they're ridiculously friendly to you. That's part of what I love about startups - every successful entrepreneur tries his best at learning from everyone else's successes and failures. It's not enough to learn by yourself, you won't get there in time. So, no, I'm not surprised they couldn't do it because they have institutional cultural failure. I don't think I could do it at the CDC either because of the cultural failure (NIH, Perfectionism, etc.). It's hard to say, we'd have to see the nuances of power in CDC vs NIAID, whether it would be politically viable even for Anthony Fauci to call Chou Jih-Haw, let alone Tsai Ing-Wen etc., and governments aren't like companies where the CEO can just set up a team of people to bypass the normal structures and collaborate with Taiwan. The CDC and gang may be broken beyond repair. I think that's the best defence you can give them.
bargl 6y ago
The truth...

themaninthedark 6y ago

I don't know if this is the interview that you are referencing but here is one place where he says it: https://youtu.be/GbfiqxDgOZ0?t=165 https://youtu.be/GbfiqxDgOZ0?t=165 paucity - Scarcity; dearth. I time stamped it to where he makes the statement after the political posturing.