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Absolutely. This was a disinformation tactic adopted from the modern Republican playbook. Don't lie to people and then blame Republicans for lying to people. Re

by javert 6y ago

Absolutely. This was a disinformation tactic adopted from the modern Republican playbook. Don't lie to people and then blame Republicans for lying to people. Reality matters. Intellectual hygiene matters.

Someone1234 6y ago
It is very easy to politicize this, but it wasn't just the party in power: Supposedly independent healthcare organizations in the US gave outright and easily disprovable safety information for at least two months. We had studies about similar airborne illnesses that showed mask's effectiveness, and while I am sympathetic to protecting key medical supply lines, they have done long term harm to public trust and mask adoption. The anti-maskers we're seeing today are directly their fault. Even now, we're still seeing misinformation about the difference between cloth and N95 effectiveness, particularly as the US has failed to ramp up N95 production after months of seeming inaction. Even healthcare providers are still struggling with PPE, let alone the general public or educators with the upcoming school re-openings.
- ericb 6y ago
  While I agree with your point, there were also anti-maskers during the Spanish Flu, so these anti maskers aren't entirely the fault of the deception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Franci...
  - Someone1234 6y ago
    I agree that we'd always have some anti-maskers. But the level of it (seemingly mainstream) has been quite problematic (although the tide does seem to be slowly turning).
- javert 6y ago
  > It is very easy to politicize this, but it wasn't just the party in power That's what I'm saying. Non-Trump people took a move out of Trump's playbook. That's vicious. > The anti-maskers we're seeing today are directly their fault. I wouldn't go that far. Anybody who is still anti-mask at this point is just an anti-reality nihilist.
- javert 6y ago
  Despite my other comment (sibling to this one), I do regret mentioning Republicans and Trump. It wasn't necessary to make my point and was in poor taste and poor form.
khuey 6y ago
Speaking as someone who absolutely loathes Trump, a number of serious mistakes have been made by people including Dr. Fauci and Governor Cuomo that they are largely getting a pass on because they are being graded on a curve so to speak against Trump's complete failure.

by javert 6y ago

Someone1234 6y ago

It is very easy to politicize this, but it wasn't just the party in power: Supposedly independent healthcare organizations in the US gave outright and easily disprovable safety information for at least two months. We had studies about similar airborne illnesses that showed mask's effectiveness, and while I am sympathetic to protecting key medical supply lines, they have done long term harm to public trust and mask adoption. The anti-maskers we're seeing today are directly their fault. Even now, we're still seeing misinformation about the difference between cloth and N95 effectiveness, particularly as the US has failed to ramp up N95 production after months of seeming inaction. Even healthcare providers are still struggling with PPE, let alone the general public or educators with the upcoming school re-openings.

ericb 6y ago
While I agree with your point, there were also anti-maskers during the Spanish Flu, so these anti maskers aren't entirely the fault of the deception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Franci...
- Someone1234 6y ago
  I agree that we'd always have some anti-maskers. But the level of it (seemingly mainstream) has been quite problematic (although the tide does seem to be slowly turning).
javert 6y ago
> It is very easy to politicize this, but it wasn't just the party in power That's what I'm saying. Non-Trump people took a move out of Trump's playbook. That's vicious. > The anti-maskers we're seeing today are directly their fault. I wouldn't go that far. Anybody who is still anti-mask at this point is just an anti-reality nihilist.
javert 6y ago
Despite my other comment (sibling to this one), I do regret mentioning Republicans and Trump. It wasn't necessary to make my point and was in poor taste and poor form.

khuey 6y ago

Speaking as someone who absolutely loathes Trump, a number of serious mistakes have been made by people including Dr. Fauci and Governor Cuomo that they are largely getting a pass on because they are being graded on a curve so to speak against Trump's complete failure.