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I absolutely love that the one person who called it out was shutdown and told to "be civil and give reasons" How else are you supposed to respond to nonsense o

I absolutely love that the one person who called it out was shutdown and told to "be civil and give reasons" How else are you supposed to respond to nonsense other than saying "This is nonsense"?

raziel2p 6y ago
You could put a little bit of effort into showing why it reads like regurgitated nonsense, for example. It's your choice if you want to invest that time and effort, of course. But you can also choose not to leave low-effort comments. Brandolini's law comes to mind.
randompwd 6y ago
Persons who upvoted that original article should be flagged in the system or at least deducted 500 points. Ditto with the responding commenter.
dang 6y ago
More than one person called it out (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000). You guys are making the same mistake that the upvoters did, of not looking at the details.
- minimaxir 6y ago
  This case is slightly weird. Without evidence, there's no real way to call it out without sounding hostile, which is something you've also discouraged on Hacker News. It's also why adequate disclosure of AI-generated text is important and it's good OpenAI is advocating that.
  - dang 6y ago
    I don't think https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000 sounded hostile. I agree that it's an edge case. I don't think moderators would have replied to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894742 as a guidelines violation, but the user who did meant well and all this stuff is pattern-matching anyhow. For example "this sounds like GPT-3" can just as easily be an internet insult (e.g. "sounds like GPT-3 regurgitated a sociology textbook" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23687199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23687199), in the same way that "this sounds like a Markov chain" used to be. The fact that that comment added "or the human equivalent" kind of made it lean that way. Perhaps that's why it provoked an immune response from a community member while the more neutral "I think this was written by GPT-3" comment did not.

I absolutely love that the one person who called it out was shutdown and told to "be civil and give reasons" How else are you supposed to respond to nonsense other than saying "This is nonsense"?

raziel2p 6y ago

You could put a little bit of effort into showing why it reads like regurgitated nonsense, for example. It's your choice if you want to invest that time and effort, of course. But you can also choose not to leave low-effort comments. Brandolini's law comes to mind.

randompwd 6y ago

Persons who upvoted that original article should be flagged in the system or at least deducted 500 points. Ditto with the responding commenter.

dang 6y ago

More than one person called it out (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000). You guys are making the same mistake that the upvoters did, of not looking at the details.

minimaxir 6y ago
This case is slightly weird. Without evidence, there's no real way to call it out without sounding hostile, which is something you've also discouraged on Hacker News. It's also why adequate disclosure of AI-generated text is important and it's good OpenAI is advocating that.
- dang 6y ago
  I don't think https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894000 sounded hostile. I agree that it's an edge case. I don't think moderators would have replied to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894742 as a guidelines violation, but the user who did meant well and all this stuff is pattern-matching anyhow. For example "this sounds like GPT-3" can just as easily be an internet insult (e.g. "sounds like GPT-3 regurgitated a sociology textbook" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23687199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23687199), in the same way that "this sounds like a Markov chain" used to be. The fact that that comment added "or the human equivalent" kind of made it lean that way. Perhaps that's why it provoked an immune response from a community member while the more neutral "I think this was written by GPT-3" comment did not.