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That moves the money to be spent on SEO instead of going directly to Google, doesn't it? It's less predictable, but unless you do it, you won't be seen, ever, a

That moves the money to be spent on SEO instead of going directly to Google, doesn't it? It's less predictable, but unless you do it, you won't be seen, ever, anywhere, by anyone.

anoncake 6y ago
I don't know about France, but in Germany, the vast majority of doctors don't even have a website to SEO. People manage to find them just fine anyway.
- luckylion 6y ago
  I'm in Germany, every doctor I know has a website. Maybe it varies by region? Some have simple sites, most have marketing-sites, plenty with keyword domains.
- stingraycharles 6y ago
  Over here in The Netherlands as well. It’s almost as if people forgot that there are directories of medical professionals you can consult!
chrisseaton 6y ago
> That moves the money to be spent on SEO instead of going directly to Google, doesn't it? No. In most countries doctors and drugs don't need any SEO, because the doctor is provided by the health service, and the doctor picks the drugs based on clinical indication.
- antihero 6y ago
  For MH it's a bit more complicated here in the UK getting therapy through NHS can take months/years.Also, with MH you need to find someone you like and can trust. Most people I know go private (out of pocket, it's about £20-80 per session in London so on average about £200/mo). Discovery is done through word of mouth or looking at various schools of therapy and shopping about to find a therapist that works for you.
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  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    How long can you get with a private psychiatrist in London for £20? Doesn't seem like a lot of money.
  - mtalantikite 6y ago
    Here in NYC my out of pocket therapy costs $175 per 45-min session, which is lower than what my therapist charges new clients. It’s a pretty normal rate, many of my friends in therapy pay between $175-225 per session. Most therapists here don’t accept insurance, many insurance plans don’t cover mental health, and government programs don’t cover it at all. £20-80 per session sadly sounds like a deal here in the US.
    - xxpor 6y ago
      I thought MH coverage was one of the essential services under Obamacare?
      - mtalantikite 6y ago
        It is, but it varies state to state and the coverage generally isn’t great. You have to hit your deductible before coverage starts and then after that it’s usually a 50% coverage. So if you’re lucky enough to find a therapist that takes insurance, you’re still paying a lot out of pocket. I just searched what it’d cost me here in NYC to purchase and go through the insurance my therapist does take (in-network): The plan costs about $650/month and I’d have to hit a $5,500 deductible before mental health coverage kicks in. Then it’s a 50% coverage after that. I’d pay about $6700 out of pocket with insurance versus about $7350 without it. This doesn’t include the $7800 I’d have to pay for the plan itself. I wouldn’t really call that a mental health benefit, it’s easier to just find a therapist you like and just figure out a way to pay for it if you can. Most people can’t and it’s a shame because good therapy is transformative. My life is so much better because of it.
- luckylion 6y ago
  So you don't get any say in which doctor you go to? What about things the public health system doesn't pay for, are they not being done at all? Germany has a rule for public insurance where you need a referral to specialists from your general physician (but that's not the case for the ~10% that are privately insured), but you can freely choose that doctor, your dentist etc. Since the public option doesn't cover a lot of the latest therapies (... not even glasses unless your eyes are very bad!), there's a secondary market where patients pay privately, or have a special private insurance for certain things.
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That moves the money to be spent on SEO instead of going directly to Google, doesn't it? It's less predictable, but unless you do it, you won't be seen, ever, anywhere, by anyone.

anoncake 6y ago

I don't know about France, but in Germany, the vast majority of doctors don't even have a website to SEO. People manage to find them just fine anyway.

luckylion 6y ago
I'm in Germany, every doctor I know has a website. Maybe it varies by region? Some have simple sites, most have marketing-sites, plenty with keyword domains.
stingraycharles 6y ago
Over here in The Netherlands as well. It’s almost as if people forgot that there are directories of medical professionals you can consult!

chrisseaton 6y ago

> That moves the money to be spent on SEO instead of going directly to Google, doesn't it? No. In most countries doctors and drugs don't need any SEO, because the doctor is provided by the health service, and the doctor picks the drugs based on clinical indication.

antihero 6y ago
For MH it's a bit more complicated here in the UK getting therapy through NHS can take months/years.Also, with MH you need to find someone you like and can trust. Most people I know go private (out of pocket, it's about £20-80 per session in London so on average about £200/mo). Discovery is done through word of mouth or looking at various schools of therapy and shopping about to find a therapist that works for you.
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- chrisseaton 6y ago
  How long can you get with a private psychiatrist in London for £20? Doesn't seem like a lot of money.
- mtalantikite 6y ago
  Here in NYC my out of pocket therapy costs $175 per 45-min session, which is lower than what my therapist charges new clients. It’s a pretty normal rate, many of my friends in therapy pay between $175-225 per session. Most therapists here don’t accept insurance, many insurance plans don’t cover mental health, and government programs don’t cover it at all. £20-80 per session sadly sounds like a deal here in the US.
  - xxpor 6y ago
    I thought MH coverage was one of the essential services under Obamacare?
    - mtalantikite 6y ago
      It is, but it varies state to state and the coverage generally isn’t great. You have to hit your deductible before coverage starts and then after that it’s usually a 50% coverage. So if you’re lucky enough to find a therapist that takes insurance, you’re still paying a lot out of pocket. I just searched what it’d cost me here in NYC to purchase and go through the insurance my therapist does take (in-network): The plan costs about $650/month and I’d have to hit a $5,500 deductible before mental health coverage kicks in. Then it’s a 50% coverage after that. I’d pay about $6700 out of pocket with insurance versus about $7350 without it. This doesn’t include the $7800 I’d have to pay for the plan itself. I wouldn’t really call that a mental health benefit, it’s easier to just find a therapist you like and just figure out a way to pay for it if you can. Most people can’t and it’s a shame because good therapy is transformative. My life is so much better because of it.
luckylion 6y ago
So you don't get any say in which doctor you go to? What about things the public health system doesn't pay for, are they not being done at all? Germany has a rule for public insurance where you need a referral to specialists from your general physician (but that's not the case for the ~10% that are privately insured), but you can freely choose that doctor, your dentist etc. Since the public option doesn't cover a lot of the latest therapies (... not even glasses unless your eyes are very bad!), there's a secondary market where patients pay privately, or have a special private insurance for certain things.
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