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It's like Facebook didn't learn their own lesson from... Facebook. The biggest reason I left Facebook was because the platform became a jumbled mess instead of

It's like Facebook didn't learn their own lesson from... Facebook. The biggest reason I left Facebook was because the platform became a jumbled mess instead of its original clean interface. It's the reason why Facebook originally won out against Myspace and why Instagram won out against Facebook.

joering2 6y ago
Yes, but were you a target audience of someone who would be clicking ads? You are not. My bet is that they do indeed monitor "ad clickers" and only will worry when these people start leaving en mass. Me and you - not so much.
nsilvestri 6y ago
Instagram didn't "win out" against Facebook. They fulfill two different roles with a few duplicated features.
- Invictus0 6y ago
  Yes it did. Instagram is cool and Facebook is not. Now Snap is cool and Instagram is fading.
  - nsilvestri 6y ago
    I am on the older end of Gen Z and have noticed the opposite. Snap was cool from 2014 until 2019 but now Insta has a slight edge. I still use both but it varies by whom I'm talking to: some friends I talk to on Snap and some I do on Insta.
  - JoeSmithson 6y ago
    It's similar to how Bruce Springsteen and The Rolling Stones aren't cool, but still sell out stadiums. Facebook (the company) will probably settle into a stable pattern like the BBC's radio lineup, where listeners roll from Radio 1, to Radio 2, to Radio 4 as they age.
  - skellera 6y ago
    Pretty sure Instagram won the Snap battle when they copied stories. Not sure who still considers Snap a major contender in the long run. I wouldn’t say Instagram is fading. Just that Tiktok is keeping the younger generation away from it. Snap is losing on both sides because of them.
  - tehsauce 6y ago
    Agree. Snap used to be cool but Instagram sailed past it.
  - mrkramer 6y ago
    I think there's so many ways to connect on the internet that every social app has it's own role and purpose. Everything is fading away as users age and their preferences change. On top of that there are always new apps which are trying to attract new users and lock them in until something new doesn't come out that's why Zuck was obsessed with competition. He tried buying Twitter and Snapchat but they refused on the other hand Instagram and WhatsApp gave in.
  - hellomyguys 6y ago
    Snap is still wildly popular with Gen Z. The use case for them is mostly messaging and private Stories. Instagram is more of a consumption platform for them at this point. They serve two different use cases.
dleslie 6y ago
What lesson would that be? Facebook is hugely successful.
- me_me_me 6y ago
  Well yes, but it has limited growth potential. Latest generations are not interested joining it. So in 10 years it will be a dying platform. Kodak didn't die when invented digital cameras, but it was a downhill ride towards inevitable cliff.
  - danpalmer 6y ago
    This is just a branding thing though right? We've had all sorts of social networks that each rise and fall. If Facebook has the formula for a successful network and can apply that formula over and over again that's pretty successful. Facebook is probably the the company most able to claim to have achieved this, with facebook.com and Instagram being two big hits, arguably Messenger and WhatsApp too. TikTok is probably the biggest sign that they have actually failed to hit a 3rd generation.
    - me_me_me 6y ago
      Who know, maybe its true. Though all I can see is: 'buying out promising products before they are going to become your rivals' mentality. It might be a successful strategy to run a business when you are big enough to do it (as long as your buyouts are correct). I heard about facebook from a friend when it was still exclusive and I joined when it was opened up. Now I open it up at what seems exponential intervals, and each time it seems my disappointment with the platform is also exponential. Its a mess filled with garbage mixed with adds that pretend to be content.
      - beenBoutIT 6y ago
        Back when it was still exclusive to people with university '.edu' email addresses Facebook was the best thing to ever happen to college. Instantly knowing who's in your classes or potential courses was a game changer.
mrkramer 6y ago
Zuckerberg is very smart and his mission and vision of Facebook was very straightforward to make Facebook a social utility and that's what it is becoming. I think Facebook is a way to connect to people in a more general way but there will be always all sort of niche social apps like Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok etc. Btw UI and UX need to evolve but to the point where they don't become bloated.

joering2 6y ago

Yes, but were you a target audience of someone who would be clicking ads? You are not. My bet is that they do indeed monitor "ad clickers" and only will worry when these people start leaving en mass. Me and you - not so much.

nsilvestri 6y ago

Instagram didn't "win out" against Facebook. They fulfill two different roles with a few duplicated features.

Invictus0 6y ago
Yes it did. Instagram is cool and Facebook is not. Now Snap is cool and Instagram is fading.
- nsilvestri 6y ago
  I am on the older end of Gen Z and have noticed the opposite. Snap was cool from 2014 until 2019 but now Insta has a slight edge. I still use both but it varies by whom I'm talking to: some friends I talk to on Snap and some I do on Insta.
- JoeSmithson 6y ago
  It's similar to how Bruce Springsteen and The Rolling Stones aren't cool, but still sell out stadiums. Facebook (the company) will probably settle into a stable pattern like the BBC's radio lineup, where listeners roll from Radio 1, to Radio 2, to Radio 4 as they age.
- skellera 6y ago
  Pretty sure Instagram won the Snap battle when they copied stories. Not sure who still considers Snap a major contender in the long run. I wouldn’t say Instagram is fading. Just that Tiktok is keeping the younger generation away from it. Snap is losing on both sides because of them.
- tehsauce 6y ago
  Agree. Snap used to be cool but Instagram sailed past it.
- mrkramer 6y ago
  I think there's so many ways to connect on the internet that every social app has it's own role and purpose. Everything is fading away as users age and their preferences change. On top of that there are always new apps which are trying to attract new users and lock them in until something new doesn't come out that's why Zuck was obsessed with competition. He tried buying Twitter and Snapchat but they refused on the other hand Instagram and WhatsApp gave in.
- hellomyguys 6y ago
  Snap is still wildly popular with Gen Z. The use case for them is mostly messaging and private Stories. Instagram is more of a consumption platform for them at this point. They serve two different use cases.

dleslie 6y ago

What lesson would that be? Facebook is hugely successful.

me_me_me 6y ago
Well yes, but it has limited growth potential. Latest generations are not interested joining it. So in 10 years it will be a dying platform. Kodak didn't die when invented digital cameras, but it was a downhill ride towards inevitable cliff.
- danpalmer 6y ago
  This is just a branding thing though right? We've had all sorts of social networks that each rise and fall. If Facebook has the formula for a successful network and can apply that formula over and over again that's pretty successful. Facebook is probably the the company most able to claim to have achieved this, with facebook.com and Instagram being two big hits, arguably Messenger and WhatsApp too. TikTok is probably the biggest sign that they have actually failed to hit a 3rd generation.
  - me_me_me 6y ago
    Who know, maybe its true. Though all I can see is: 'buying out promising products before they are going to become your rivals' mentality. It might be a successful strategy to run a business when you are big enough to do it (as long as your buyouts are correct). I heard about facebook from a friend when it was still exclusive and I joined when it was opened up. Now I open it up at what seems exponential intervals, and each time it seems my disappointment with the platform is also exponential. Its a mess filled with garbage mixed with adds that pretend to be content.
    - beenBoutIT 6y ago
      Back when it was still exclusive to people with university '.edu' email addresses Facebook was the best thing to ever happen to college. Instantly knowing who's in your classes or potential courses was a game changer.

mrkramer 6y ago

Zuckerberg is very smart and his mission and vision of Facebook was very straightforward to make Facebook a social utility and that's what it is becoming. I think Facebook is a way to connect to people in a more general way but there will be always all sort of niche social apps like Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok etc. Btw UI and UX need to evolve but to the point where they don't become bloated.