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> To those complaining about the anti-China narrative, it's the CCP (government) which are at fault, not the people What would you say if the people widely sup

> To those complaining about the anti-China narrative, it's the CCP (government) which are at fault, not the people What would you say if the people widely supported it? Do you have evidence otherwise? Most mainlanders don't seem to care at all, that's pretty common knowledge and not some fear of speaking out issue. There's plenty of online forums where they anonymously express themselves and widely mock and criticise the government yet you won't find many being about Xinjiang province other than what the West is reporting on it. Have you spent much time on the Chinese internet? So to go back to my question, if it's actually the people who support this, do you consider them the enemy too? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-30/why-many-in-china-support-beijings-xinjiang-and-hongkong-policy/11749148 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-30/why-many-in-china-sup...

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bArray 6y ago
> So to go back to my question, if it's actually the people > who support this, do you consider them the enemy too? It's a tough one. There's a lot of misinformation and propaganda out there in China and until people have a balanced idea of what the various truths are, I don't know if it can be held against them. They are likely told that they are all extremists from the only authoritative source they have available to them, you can understand why they hold the views they hold (even if we would agree they are not nice views to hold). That said, there are people out there that hold extreme views I don't agree with (in many different social circles/cultures). As long as they don't act on these ideas and are able to be productive members of society, then it's enough to agree to disagree. In general we need a better approach towards radicalization, and for that in my opinion we should try to solve problems internally first. Western society for example has extreme far-right and extreme far-left minorities, it's not yet clear how we step these people back from the edge (i.e. violence).
saeranv 6y ago
This isn't unique to Chinese mainlanders. If you look at other countries: U.S, Sri Lanka, Israel, Brazil, France etc., you're going to find a significant portion of the population that seems to support far-right populism based on ethnic nationalism. Look at Trump, who is currently attempting to push an anti-China narrative in the US, but still gave Xi Jinping the green light to build camps for the Uighurs, and said it was "exactly the right thing to do." [1] Should we judge them? Are they our enemy? I don't know. But this seems to be a systematic bias that pervades humanity in general. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833
- lenkite 6y ago
  Please do note that is a John Bolton claim with no independent confirmation and denied by Trump. And no single nation - not even the US - has any power to give a "green" or "red" light to China currently. The only way any pressure would work is with a league of nations applying sanctions.

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bArray 6y ago

> So to go back to my question, if it's actually the people > who support this, do you consider them the enemy too? It's a tough one. There's a lot of misinformation and propaganda out there in China and until people have a balanced idea of what the various truths are, I don't know if it can be held against them. They are likely told that they are all extremists from the only authoritative source they have available to them, you can understand why they hold the views they hold (even if we would agree they are not nice views to hold). That said, there are people out there that hold extreme views I don't agree with (in many different social circles/cultures). As long as they don't act on these ideas and are able to be productive members of society, then it's enough to agree to disagree. In general we need a better approach towards radicalization, and for that in my opinion we should try to solve problems internally first. Western society for example has extreme far-right and extreme far-left minorities, it's not yet clear how we step these people back from the edge (i.e. violence).

saeranv 6y ago

This isn't unique to Chinese mainlanders. If you look at other countries: U.S, Sri Lanka, Israel, Brazil, France etc., you're going to find a significant portion of the population that seems to support far-right populism based on ethnic nationalism. Look at Trump, who is currently attempting to push an anti-China narrative in the US, but still gave Xi Jinping the green light to build camps for the Uighurs, and said it was "exactly the right thing to do." [1] Should we judge them? Are they our enemy? I don't know. But this seems to be a systematic bias that pervades humanity in general. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53138833

lenkite 6y ago
Please do note that is a John Bolton claim with no independent confirmation and denied by Trump. And no single nation - not even the US - has any power to give a "green" or "red" light to China currently. The only way any pressure would work is with a league of nations applying sanctions.