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I agree with the sentiment but I don't agree with the language/runtime that is PHP. There are many, many more superior options when it comes to general purpose

I agree with the sentiment but I don't agree with the language/runtime that is PHP. There are many, many more superior options when it comes to general purpose 'no-framework' styles.

naranha 6y ago
PHP is a html template engine, so using it to create an API sounds like "The wrong way" by definition. I think you actually need these frameworks in PHP to turn it into something other than a template engine. They recompile your code, change the way it is loaded and accessed via HTTP, it's a whole different way to use the language and runtime.
- ArtDev 6y ago
  I am a fan of Symfony and Drupal 8 because of these abstractions. They can provide a powerful toolset you can build off of. Granted you take the time to understand it.
marinabsa 6y ago
Is there another programming language one can use for web development without a framework? Genuine question, I always thought that's PHP only advantage.
- megous 6y ago
  I guess anyhting that can read environment variables and write to stdout. :)
  - ptr 6y ago
    Exactly, CGI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface) was a thing once.
    - megous 6y ago
      It's still a thing. For example with cgit.
  - marinabsa 6y ago
    Interesting. Well, that just shows how much I still have to learn. xD Thanks.
- rob74 6y ago
  Go? The standard library has all relevant web-related features covered, but it's not a framework that forces you to organize your code in a certain way...
- unscaled 6y ago
  ASP (the original version) and JSP are probably what you're looking for, although they're probably worse overall for this kind of thing compared to PHP. Now, most of the application servers that implement JSP will implement at least a big chunk of some version of Java EE, but you don't really have to use most of it.
vangelis 6y ago
Is there anything easier to get started with than PHP? Turn on Apache's mod_php (or Nginx and php-fpm which is a little more work) and browse to a directory.

I agree with the sentiment but I don't agree with the language/runtime that is PHP. There are many, many more superior options when it comes to general purpose 'no-framework' styles.

naranha 6y ago

PHP is a html template engine, so using it to create an API sounds like "The wrong way" by definition. I think you actually need these frameworks in PHP to turn it into something other than a template engine. They recompile your code, change the way it is loaded and accessed via HTTP, it's a whole different way to use the language and runtime.

ArtDev 6y ago
I am a fan of Symfony and Drupal 8 because of these abstractions. They can provide a powerful toolset you can build off of. Granted you take the time to understand it.

marinabsa 6y ago

Is there another programming language one can use for web development without a framework? Genuine question, I always thought that's PHP only advantage.

megous 6y ago
I guess anyhting that can read environment variables and write to stdout. :)
- ptr 6y ago
  Exactly, CGI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface) was a thing once.
  - megous 6y ago
    It's still a thing. For example with cgit.
- marinabsa 6y ago
  Interesting. Well, that just shows how much I still have to learn. xD Thanks.
rob74 6y ago
Go? The standard library has all relevant web-related features covered, but it's not a framework that forces you to organize your code in a certain way...
unscaled 6y ago
ASP (the original version) and JSP are probably what you're looking for, although they're probably worse overall for this kind of thing compared to PHP. Now, most of the application servers that implement JSP will implement at least a big chunk of some version of Java EE, but you don't really have to use most of it.

vangelis 6y ago

Is there anything easier to get started with than PHP? Turn on Apache's mod_php (or Nginx and php-fpm which is a little more work) and browse to a directory.