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My suggestion is that you shouldn't bother. The Chinese people would not believe the Western media narrative on Xinjiang (XJ), which also doesn't really have cr

by admk 6y ago

My suggestion is that you shouldn't bother. The Chinese people would not believe the Western media narrative on Xinjiang (XJ), which also doesn't really have credible sources if look deeper into their "facts" [0]. And it is increasingly clear that the XJ narrative is a US-backed propaganda rather than factual reporting [1]. Most of us would consider the western people being brainwashed into believing whatever the media puts out about XJ, just as much as the English speaking westerners think about us. Please ponder about this: can I, as a Chinese, easily change your media-fed opinion on XJ? Yet I am trying my best here (because I procrastinate). The video shown by the BBC about the official visit to the vocational training center implants a subliminal message of "bad things are happening here" with eerie BGM and horror-movie-like filter. Your system 1, i.e. your fast, instinctive and emotional mind [2] would also be tricked by that too. Regardless of what's happening there, do you really think this is the way of objective, bias-free reporting? Personally, I do not like the way they train these people. Westerners would never understand this culturally. But when compared to the war effort instigated by the US against Islamic nations, vocational training is IMHO a much better alternative against terrorism. XJ used to have a terrorism problem, and it's now much safer. I would suggest you guys to travel in XJ after opening up, if possible, it is an incredible place to visit. If not then there are plenty of local people on youtube vlogging their daily lifes. [0]: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1288269064297537537 https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/128826906429753753... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hwi7ub/i_am_sophie_richardson_china_director_at_human/fz17y2f/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hwi7ub/i_am_soph... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thinking,_Fast_and_Slow Source: am Chinese living in China, sitting in a coffee shop and procrastinating. Edit: typo.

coincidents 6y ago
Throwaway because yeah. What's fun is your account is four years old and you have three posts, all of which have a pro-China bias. Why are you ignoring the human rights atrocities happening in China, and why are you turfing for Xi's brutal government?
- admk 6y ago
  Well I'm Chinese and have positive personal experiences in China, so I'm pro-China. If you're going to base your questions on the premises that I do not agree with, and do not give your reasonings, then there is no way to engage in productive conversation.
  - space_invaders 6y ago
    Tip: you don't need to be pro-CCP to be pro-China. I'm pro-my country? Yes. I'm pro-my country's government? Absolutely not.
    - yorwba 6y ago
      Tip: you don't have to be pro-CCP to realize that (mainstream) Western reporting on China is frequently very focused on a handful of stories and discards a lot of information that doesn't fit. For example, I haven't seen a mainstream story yet on labor camps for people who aren't Turkic Muslims but e.g. drug addicts https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef%bb%bf-forced-detox-camps-reeducation-through-labour-and-the-contradictions-of-chinas-war-on-drugs/ https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef...
      - alzaeem 6y ago
        Great. How awful of us to not appreciate that CCP treats their ethnic and religious minorities like drug addicts
        yorwba 6y ago
        You make it sound like it would be totally okay if only they weren't ethnic and religious minorities but drug addicts instead...
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account for violating HN's guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html No, this is not because I'm secretly a communist. It's because you can't attack others like this on HN. For plenty of past explanation see these links: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20chin https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a...
space_invaders 6y ago
> am Chinese living in China, sitting in a Communist Party building and doing my job Fixed for you.
- dang 6y ago
  That is a serious violation of the HN guidelines and will get you banned if you keep doing it, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html People here need to be able to express their views and respect each other, even across broad national/ethnic/ideological gaps. Someone disagreeing with you about China is not evidence that they're a communist agent or anything of that nature, and it's poisonous, degrading, and frankly dumb to make posts to that effect. Rather, what's going on is that this community is large, diverse, and full of people with different backgrounds. We need to hear each other, not abuse each other. If you'd like more explanation, I've written about this extensively: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20chin https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a...
chvid 6y ago
What is - in your opinion - a good English language source for getting a grasp of what is going on in Xinjiang? And how is the western concern for human rights abuses in Xinjiang being covered by the Chinese media?

by admk 6y ago

coincidents 6y ago

Throwaway because yeah. What's fun is your account is four years old and you have three posts, all of which have a pro-China bias. Why are you ignoring the human rights atrocities happening in China, and why are you turfing for Xi's brutal government?

admk 6y ago
Well I'm Chinese and have positive personal experiences in China, so I'm pro-China. If you're going to base your questions on the premises that I do not agree with, and do not give your reasonings, then there is no way to engage in productive conversation.
- space_invaders 6y ago
  Tip: you don't need to be pro-CCP to be pro-China. I'm pro-my country? Yes. I'm pro-my country's government? Absolutely not.
  - yorwba 6y ago
    Tip: you don't have to be pro-CCP to realize that (mainstream) Western reporting on China is frequently very focused on a handful of stories and discards a lot of information that doesn't fit. For example, I haven't seen a mainstream story yet on labor camps for people who aren't Turkic Muslims but e.g. drug addicts https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef%bb%bf-forced-detox-camps-reeducation-through-labour-and-the-contradictions-of-chinas-war-on-drugs/ https://madeinchinajournal.com/2019/10/25/punish-and-cure%ef...
    - alzaeem 6y ago
      Great. How awful of us to not appreciate that CCP treats their ethnic and religious minorities like drug addicts
      - yorwba 6y ago
        You make it sound like it would be totally okay if only they weren't ethnic and religious minorities but drug addicts instead...
dang 6y ago
We've banned this account for violating HN's guidelines. Please don't create accounts to do that with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html No, this is not because I'm secretly a communist. It's because you can't attack others like this on HN. For plenty of past explanation see these links: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20chin https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a...

space_invaders 6y ago

> am Chinese living in China, sitting in a Communist Party building and doing my job Fixed for you.

dang 6y ago
That is a serious violation of the HN guidelines and will get you banned if you keep doing it, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html People here need to be able to express their views and respect each other, even across broad national/ethnic/ideological gaps. Someone disagreeing with you about China is not evidence that they're a communist agent or anything of that nature, and it's poisonous, degrading, and frankly dumb to make posts to that effect. Rather, what's going on is that this community is large, diverse, and full of people with different backgrounds. We need to hear each other, not abuse each other. If you'd like more explanation, I've written about this extensively: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20chin https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a...

chvid 6y ago

What is - in your opinion - a good English language source for getting a grasp of what is going on in Xinjiang? And how is the western concern for human rights abuses in Xinjiang being covered by the Chinese media?