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Except that in his case the bonus was paid based on Project Chauffeur hitting certain milestones. They retained him until the project hit the milestones, and th
by KKKKkkkk1 6y ago
Except that in his case the bonus was paid based on Project Chauffeur hitting certain milestones. They retained him until the project hit the milestones, and then he left. Which is fair and square. And by the way, Chris Urmson and Sebastian Thrun did the same.
It's just that Google did not understand the Goodhart law of self driving, which states that you can hit arbitrarily hard milestones and yet get nowhere near real self driving.
- arethuza 6y agoI suspect we could generalise your law for all of AI work: you can solve arbitrarily hard tasks and yet be nowhere near real general intelligence.
- dexen 6y agoA half-joking prediction: at some point we'll solve all arbitrarily hard milestones for AIs and yet find ourselves 'nowhere near having real general intelligence'. At that point we might start questioning our assumptions about intelligence.
- arethuza 6y agoWell, if those hard milestones include "building an AI system to solve a given problem" then I'd agree with you.
- dexen 6y agoWith intelligence, the territory is not the map :-)
- pnutjam 6y agohttps://www.mentalfloss.com/article/91177/how-our-eyes-see-everything-upside-down https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/91177/how-our-eyes-see-e... Until we can understand and correct unconcious inferences, how can we ever understand intelligence.
- dexen 6y agoIn the days when Sussman was a novice Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6. "What are you doing?", asked Minsky. "I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe." "Why is the net wired randomly?", asked Minsky. "I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play." Minsky shut his eyes. "Why do you close your eyes?", Sussman asked his teacher. "So the room will be empty." At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
- notRobot 6y agoPlease don't use code blocks for quotes. It makes it very hard to read text on mobile, narrow viewports or via screen readers.
- dorgo 6y agohard task: generate a pile of money in short time. If an AI accomplishs this task, I don't care whether it is general intelligence or not.
- inafewwords 6y agoAI becomes US treasurer
- coolgeek 6y agoI get what you're saying, but 99% of those working in AI aren't even trying to create AGI. They're working on narrow AI, and they're perfectly willing to acknowledge that. Even the SOTA reinforcement learning folks know that they are working in limited (albeit progressively expanding) niches.
- TuringNYC 6y agoThis has traditionally been a problem on Wall Street also -- if your bonus is based on profit, traders maximize profit (but also risk.) Then the company wizes up and the bonus is based on profit with a risk cap...and traders maximize profit and minimize some form of risk (while taking on some other unmeasured liability, e.g., liquidity)
- supernova87a 6y agoHas anyone seen any good hard milestones that would validate that self driving progress is being made? Even the framework?
- oldgradstudent 6y agoYes. Working self driving.
- bduerst 6y agoYes - dunno what GP is talking about because there are tangible milestones for working self driving: https://www.synopsys.com/automotive/autonomous-driving-levels.html https://www.synopsys.com/automotive/autonomous-driving-level...