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How does one compile this and other evidence to present to expatriate Mainlanders? Is it even worth it?

abc-xyz 6y ago
You can use GitHub since it’s one of the few platforms (if not the only) that won’t be blocked in China and Microsoft is very unlikely to censor your repository. WeChat and other social media will of course shadowban messages containing a link to your repo (assuming it become popular enough to be noticed) but you can find creative ways to bypass the blacklisting (e.g. share link in a picture, with spaces in the link, forking the repo and sharing the forked one, etc.)
lma21 6y ago
Why do we think expats would be interested in this? What's the point anyway? Shouldn't we use this evidence instead to wake people up on the impacts of consumerism? Didn't we allow China to become what it is today due to how we buy things (all things are made in China today?) and how companies are constantly seeking to reduce costs and in some cases irresponsibly? What have we said to those companies? Disclaimer: I'm from Europe.
- Shivetya 6y ago
  This is the issue, it is not a matter of convincing the Chinese people their government is a problem it is a matter of convincing politicians in the Western world that China is truly a problem and pressuring corporations at stock holder meetings the same. Both need to be told the same thing, doing business in China is not acceptable. Corporations can be forced to change course by stock holders and national or state governments, governments can only be changed by pressure on the political parties in each. * I own both Tesla and Apple products, my statement on not buying an Apple product made in China needs to be expanded. I will not buy an Apple product or another Tesla until both leave China or the Chinese government changes direction; which I believe will only get worse if the believe the US government slides in weakness or non interventionist form
DarthGhandi 6y ago
Just follow the works of "leading Xinjiang expert" Adrian Zenz, who is repeatedly mentioned in this BBC article and given huge amounts of airtime by news orgs around the world. By his own account he can't speak any dialect or read Chinese but he is the goto expert on the matter. The main paper of his routinely quoted on by the media is published in the Journal of Political Risk. It mainly draws on Google translations of open source government data, there's strangely mentions of Bible verses in it. You might also be interested in his main job as an evangelic missionary teaching theological students, his position at an anti-communism foundation with dubious funding sources, an online phd from a university with a very similar name as Cambridge (his wiki page even looks to the actual Cambridge), his homophobic statements, other statements on how he is on a mission from God to "save" China and his published book: "Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation"* I'm not sure if it's worth debating this topic here on HN anymore because it's really becoming pointless and pure ideological propaganda where no one wants to debate in good faith (much like this article with basically nothing of substance, a guy got caught with weed and now has a call phone inside jail? Throw in some Adrian Zenz quotes and call it a day) Previous threads have people boldly proclaiming with no evidence whatsoever that "_millions_ of Uyghurs have been sterilised in the last year, what has any other country done even close to that?", leaving the absurdity of that behind, the responses with numerous sources and good faith debate are CSS censored into oblivion. This BBC article is propaganda, there's literally no any evidence whatsoever it's true, by their own words deep into the text. The public is being buttered up for yet another two decades of war, with Iraq WMD levels of proof of why it should happen and the populace lap it up again. The UN Human Rights Commissioner was invited over a year ago[1] to Xinjiang, she still hasn't gone, China is still asking her to come and hopefully she'll make it by the end of 2020 [2] Dozens of countries, many not even aligned with China have sent a joint letter to the UN [3] saying their investigations showed nothing like what is claimed in the Western media. Muslim countries are praising their efforts to control terrorism in the region.[3] Given your question, I'd ask a counter-question: Is it worth trying to convince people that's there's a lot more here than the headlines and it's far more about the challenge to US hegemony more than anything else? Why is everything presented always with some terrifyingly evil implication that's ends up generally quite mundane when you actually read into it. There's more satellites than ever before (you can academically launch a 0.5U cubesat over China for $12,000) and yet no one seems to have any satellite evidence of these 1.5 million people supposedly detained. I'm guessing they're in caves or something? Everything presented is flimsy and speaks to a much larger game, a game many tacitly acknowledge deep down and think the ends justify the means, lies or not. WMD's or not, many somehow justify that travesty to themselves in a strange post-purchase rationalisation. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un-idUSKCN1TE12Q https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un-idUSKCN1T... [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idUSKCN20K1ZE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idU... [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idUSKCN1U721X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idU... *Available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Tribulation/dp/144976908X https://www.amazon.com/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Trib...

You can use GitHub since it’s one of the few platforms (if not the only) that won’t be blocked in China and Microsoft is very unlikely to censor your repository. WeChat and other social media will of course shadowban messages containing a link to your repo (assuming it become popular enough to be noticed) but you can find creative ways to bypass the blacklisting (e.g. share link in a picture, with spaces in the link, forking the repo and sharing the forked one, etc.)

lma21 6y ago

Why do we think expats would be interested in this? What's the point anyway? Shouldn't we use this evidence instead to wake people up on the impacts of consumerism? Didn't we allow China to become what it is today due to how we buy things (all things are made in China today?) and how companies are constantly seeking to reduce costs and in some cases irresponsibly? What have we said to those companies? Disclaimer: I'm from Europe.

Shivetya 6y ago
This is the issue, it is not a matter of convincing the Chinese people their government is a problem it is a matter of convincing politicians in the Western world that China is truly a problem and pressuring corporations at stock holder meetings the same. Both need to be told the same thing, doing business in China is not acceptable. Corporations can be forced to change course by stock holders and national or state governments, governments can only be changed by pressure on the political parties in each. * I own both Tesla and Apple products, my statement on not buying an Apple product made in China needs to be expanded. I will not buy an Apple product or another Tesla until both leave China or the Chinese government changes direction; which I believe will only get worse if the believe the US government slides in weakness or non interventionist form

DarthGhandi 6y ago

Just follow the works of "leading Xinjiang expert" Adrian Zenz, who is repeatedly mentioned in this BBC article and given huge amounts of airtime by news orgs around the world. By his own account he can't speak any dialect or read Chinese but he is the goto expert on the matter. The main paper of his routinely quoted on by the media is published in the Journal of Political Risk. It mainly draws on Google translations of open source government data, there's strangely mentions of Bible verses in it. You might also be interested in his main job as an evangelic missionary teaching theological students, his position at an anti-communism foundation with dubious funding sources, an online phd from a university with a very similar name as Cambridge (his wiki page even looks to the actual Cambridge), his homophobic statements, other statements on how he is on a mission from God to "save" China and his published book: "Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation"* I'm not sure if it's worth debating this topic here on HN anymore because it's really becoming pointless and pure ideological propaganda where no one wants to debate in good faith (much like this article with basically nothing of substance, a guy got caught with weed and now has a call phone inside jail? Throw in some Adrian Zenz quotes and call it a day) Previous threads have people boldly proclaiming with no evidence whatsoever that "_millions_ of Uyghurs have been sterilised in the last year, what has any other country done even close to that?", leaving the absurdity of that behind, the responses with numerous sources and good faith debate are CSS censored into oblivion. This BBC article is propaganda, there's literally no any evidence whatsoever it's true, by their own words deep into the text. The public is being buttered up for yet another two decades of war, with Iraq WMD levels of proof of why it should happen and the populace lap it up again. The UN Human Rights Commissioner was invited over a year ago[1] to Xinjiang, she still hasn't gone, China is still asking her to come and hopefully she'll make it by the end of 2020 [2] Dozens of countries, many not even aligned with China have sent a joint letter to the UN [3] saying their investigations showed nothing like what is claimed in the Western media. Muslim countries are praising their efforts to control terrorism in the region.[3] Given your question, I'd ask a counter-question: Is it worth trying to convince people that's there's a lot more here than the headlines and it's far more about the challenge to US hegemony more than anything else? Why is everything presented always with some terrifyingly evil implication that's ends up generally quite mundane when you actually read into it. There's more satellites than ever before (you can academically launch a 0.5U cubesat over China for $12,000) and yet no one seems to have any satellite evidence of these 1.5 million people supposedly detained. I'm guessing they're in caves or something? Everything presented is flimsy and speaks to a much larger game, a game many tacitly acknowledge deep down and think the ends justify the means, lies or not. WMD's or not, many somehow justify that travesty to themselves in a strange post-purchase rationalisation. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un-idUSKCN1TE12Q https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-rights-un-idUSKCN1T... [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idUSKCN20K1ZE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idU... [3] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idUSKCN1U721X https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-xinjiang-rights-idU... *Available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Tribulation/dp/144976908X https://www.amazon.com/Worthy-Escape-Believers-Raptured-Trib...