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I mean there's a reason these sorts of programs always end with mass murder and suffering. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it legiti

I mean there's a reason these sorts of programs always end with mass murder and suffering. Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it legitimate. Lots of people followed the Soviet and Nazi programs and it created human suffering on a level never seen before in human history. You really should read Human Action by Mises. It lays out on a philosophical level why all this stuff is fundamentally irrational and necessarily leads to mass human suffering.

jahaja 6y ago
Sigh. 99% of socialist want to expand democracy, not establish another dictatorship. Yet, people like yourself dogmatically focus on that other 1% that are authoritarian and paint every socialist as such. 71k people die every year in the US due to lack of healthcare. You need to open both eyes. I should read a book by the some libertarian god that unsurprisingly dismisses socialism, while your own knowledge about socialism is obviously paperthin? If it's so clear and obvious then you should be able to explain it in a paragraph or two?
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  > 99% of socialist want to expand democracy Yes I know they do. This is a bad thing. The Founding Fathers were famously skeptical of democracy as were many, many thinkers and societies before them. And yes it's always democratic in the beginning but democracy is not a panacea (as the Founding Fathers understood) and quickly things devolve into despotism. Just because someone exists doesn't mean they should have a say in how a society is run. Existence is a pretty low bar compared to how developed and complex the structures of a well organized society are. > 71k people die every year in the US due to lack of healthcare. Millions are born each year due to abundance and millions more don't die for want of food and other essential services and that is because there's a functioning market clearing mechanism (price). Again I think you should read Human Action, even so you can just understand your 'enemy'.
  - jahaja 6y ago
    > This is a bad thing. It's refreshing to see that this anti-democratic sentiment is said so bluntly, usually it's covered up in weasel words. > And yes it's always democratic in the beginning Please let me know which of the communist regimes of the 20th century that started out democratic. > Millions are born each year due to abundance and millions more don't die for want of food and other essential services and that is because there's a functioning market clearing mechanism (price). That's a sociopathic response to why on earth 71k people should die every year in a country of abundance simply because they don't have any money.
    - googthrowaway42 6y ago
      > It's refreshing to see that this anti-democratic sentiment is said so bluntly, usually it's covered up in weasel words. This sentiment is at the core of America. It's not a secret at all. Pure democracy is necessarily predicated on a rejection of human rights. We have a Constitution because individuals have human rights that cannot be violated no matter how many people vote on it. Pure democracy is evil. > Please let me know which of the communist regimes of the 20th century that started out democratic. What do you think the word "soviet" means in Soviet Union? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy > That's a sociopathic response to why on earth 71k people should die every year in a country of abundance simply because they don't have any money. This is a utopian response which is actually indicative of sociopathy. "There are three questions which will destroy most of the arguments on the left: 1. Compared to what? 2. At what cost? 3. What hard evidence do you have?" – Thomas Sowell
      - jahaja 6y ago
        > This sentiment is at the core of America. It's not a secret at all. It's not a secret no, but it's certainly not part of the propaganda. > Pure democracy is necessarily predicated on a rejection of human rights. Why is that? Maybe you should be blunt here too and just say private-property enforcement instead of human rights? > What do you think the word "soviet" means in Soviet Union? Are you really going argue that it was a democracy because of the name? Why are you doubling down on your own ignorance? Even the link you yourself posted contains this: "After Lenin's party, the Bolsheviks, only got a minority of the votes in the election to the Russian Constituent Assembly, he disbanded it by force after its first meeting". The Bolsheviks took power in a coup for themselves and never let go of it. > This is a utopian response which is actually indicative of sociopathy. What? There's nothing utopian about universal healthcare and that's firmly established by now. That also sounds like a means to an end argument which is sociopathic if anything is.

jahaja 6y ago

Sigh. 99% of socialist want to expand democracy, not establish another dictatorship. Yet, people like yourself dogmatically focus on that other 1% that are authoritarian and paint every socialist as such. 71k people die every year in the US due to lack of healthcare. You need to open both eyes. I should read a book by the some libertarian god that unsurprisingly dismisses socialism, while your own knowledge about socialism is obviously paperthin? If it's so clear and obvious then you should be able to explain it in a paragraph or two?

googthrowaway42 6y ago
> 99% of socialist want to expand democracy Yes I know they do. This is a bad thing. The Founding Fathers were famously skeptical of democracy as were many, many thinkers and societies before them. And yes it's always democratic in the beginning but democracy is not a panacea (as the Founding Fathers understood) and quickly things devolve into despotism. Just because someone exists doesn't mean they should have a say in how a society is run. Existence is a pretty low bar compared to how developed and complex the structures of a well organized society are. > 71k people die every year in the US due to lack of healthcare. Millions are born each year due to abundance and millions more don't die for want of food and other essential services and that is because there's a functioning market clearing mechanism (price). Again I think you should read Human Action, even so you can just understand your 'enemy'.
- jahaja 6y ago
  > This is a bad thing. It's refreshing to see that this anti-democratic sentiment is said so bluntly, usually it's covered up in weasel words. > And yes it's always democratic in the beginning Please let me know which of the communist regimes of the 20th century that started out democratic. > Millions are born each year due to abundance and millions more don't die for want of food and other essential services and that is because there's a functioning market clearing mechanism (price). That's a sociopathic response to why on earth 71k people should die every year in a country of abundance simply because they don't have any money.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    > It's refreshing to see that this anti-democratic sentiment is said so bluntly, usually it's covered up in weasel words. This sentiment is at the core of America. It's not a secret at all. Pure democracy is necessarily predicated on a rejection of human rights. We have a Constitution because individuals have human rights that cannot be violated no matter how many people vote on it. Pure democracy is evil. > Please let me know which of the communist regimes of the 20th century that started out democratic. What do you think the word "soviet" means in Soviet Union? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy > That's a sociopathic response to why on earth 71k people should die every year in a country of abundance simply because they don't have any money. This is a utopian response which is actually indicative of sociopathy. "There are three questions which will destroy most of the arguments on the left: 1. Compared to what? 2. At what cost? 3. What hard evidence do you have?" – Thomas Sowell
    - jahaja 6y ago
      > This sentiment is at the core of America. It's not a secret at all. It's not a secret no, but it's certainly not part of the propaganda. > Pure democracy is necessarily predicated on a rejection of human rights. Why is that? Maybe you should be blunt here too and just say private-property enforcement instead of human rights? > What do you think the word "soviet" means in Soviet Union? Are you really going argue that it was a democracy because of the name? Why are you doubling down on your own ignorance? Even the link you yourself posted contains this: "After Lenin's party, the Bolsheviks, only got a minority of the votes in the election to the Russian Constituent Assembly, he disbanded it by force after its first meeting". The Bolsheviks took power in a coup for themselves and never let go of it. > This is a utopian response which is actually indicative of sociopathy. What? There's nothing utopian about universal healthcare and that's firmly established by now. That also sounds like a means to an end argument which is sociopathic if anything is.