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A courtesy not afforded to the largely not-rich, not-white general prison population. I don't think Levandowski should be treated worse, just noting it would be

A courtesy not afforded to the largely not-rich, not-white general prison population. I don't think Levandowski should be treated worse, just noting it would be nice if less privileged prisoners were treated as humanely.

vondur 6y ago
No, the state of California is letting a ton of criminals out of prison. I don’t think they have to finish serving their time either.
- tedunangst 6y ago
  This was a federal case?
jjeaff 6y ago
Totally agree. I don't like it when the responses are "they should rot in prison" because so many people have done less and been in prison forever. We need to severely reduce sentencing in this country - across the board - for everyone, especially the minorities and impoverished that have borne the brunt of our ridiculous school to prison pipeline.
wolco 6y ago
Rich black people don't have the same privileged to buy justice as rich white people? That's not true. From basketball players to music icons like Michael Jackson the rich can buy a certain level of justice. If you think the white rich still have it easier. I think we are focusing on the wrong thing. The 1% or .1% percentages have it better than everybody else regardless of color.
- jhardy54 6y ago
  > Rich black people don't have the same privileged to buy justice as rich white people? > > That's not true. Kinda funny how you made up a statement that they didn't say and then started arguing against it. Congratulations, you fought yourself and won.
  - wolco 6y ago
    It was in response to the parent post. Below is a direct quote. "A courtesy not afforded to the largely not-rich, not-white general prison population. "
    - xdavidliu 6y ago
      but in your direct quote, it clearly says "not-rich, not-white", so clearly the direct quote was not talking about "rich blacks"
      - BeetleB 6y ago
        The phrase can be interpreted two ways. To simplify this comment, when I say "black" I mean "not white". Easier than to keep typing non-white, etc. You have a quadrant of four categories: 1. Rich and white 2. Poor and white 3. Rich and black 4. Poor and black You are interpreting the statement to refer to "people who are not (rich or white)" - which with Boolean logic expands to "people who are not rich and not white)". Looking at the first form, this means category 4 (people who are poor AND are not white). It also means that poor white people get this privilege, and rich non-whites do. The other person is interpreting it as "not (rich and white)" which means all the categories except 1. Hence the confusion.
        xdavidliu 6y ago
        in English, comma separated lists of adjectives or other descriptors are almost always understood to have AND between them, not OR. OR must be explicit, otherwise AND is implicitly assumed. This is not just a matter of two equally valid alternative explanations: a reasonable reading of the original sentence "not poor, not white" (along a minimal amount of thought about the context and subject matter, e.g. prisons clearly are not full of rich blacks) would have easily led to the other person realizing that it was category 4 that the parent was talking about, not 1-3.
        jhardy54 6y ago
        > Hence the confusion. Why would anyone believe that there was confusion? It smells like ideology to me.
- munk-a 6y ago
  I think rich any-people shouldn't get a free-ride buuut... The comment you're responding to focused on privilege being the primary differentiator, but you focused in on "largely not-rich, not-white general prison population", please read comments a bit closer.
  - wolco 6y ago
    I know it wasn't the main point but using false race stereotypes need to get called out regardless.
xenihn 6y ago
Come to California and see for yourself. It is afforded to everyone.
cwhiz 6y ago
It’s a courtesy that is absolutely being afforded to people in California, where this is taking place. Some people just want to see racism everywhere they look.
- amznthrwaway 6y ago
  That's because we're looking at racist white supremacists, such as yourself. I really wish dang cared about this issue, but dang is very CLEARLY pro white supremacist. It fucking sucks, but it makes sense since Paul Graham is bigoted as hell, and Peter Thiel doesn't even hide his racism. Oh well, congratulations dang, you are helping to keep YC a safe space for whiny racist assholes.
- mav3rick 6y ago
  Acknowledge your privilege.
  - Justin_K 6y ago
    Wow... Or perhaps you should acknowledge that many others are being granted the same treatment. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
    - mav3rick 6y ago
      HN is mostly white software engineers. Any topic on diversity and minorities and the absolute true "colors" come out.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - jpxw 6y ago
        Yes, white males are extremely privileged in modern day tech hiring
albacur 6y ago
You’re trying to make this into a race issue, when that’s not really the case here. The justice system in San Francisco bends over backwards to keep criminals of all races, classes, and backgrounds out of prison, and especially so with Covid-19.
- angry_octet 6y ago
  Class is a race issue.
  - albacur 6y ago
    It’s not a class issue. It’s not a race issue. It’s a “the Bay Area is not putting anyone short of convicted murderers in prison right now” issue.
    - munk-a 6y ago
      It makes sense though - if California only had a single prison and it was built inside of a volcano then we'd object to folks not receiving capital sentences being sent there since there's probably be all sorts of chances that the prisoner die during incarceration. The prisons we have weren't designed for Covid, they aren't safe and while those people are criminals they are people. They did ill but weren't judged worthy of losing their lives and, I'd wager, some people look really closely at their behavior to figure out if they're going to be an immediate societal risk before deferring their sentence.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  Isn't this a Federal case?
ponker 6y ago
A vast number of nonviolent inmates have been released in California: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
yelloworangefog 6y ago
> A courtesy not afforded to the largely not-rich, not-white general prison population. This claim seems to be unsubstantiated and in fact blatantly false... Please take the care to do cursory research on the situation before blindly stoking the race flame. That kind of thing is the very last thing we need in the public discourse right now.
Justin_K 6y ago
They are https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
manigandham 6y ago
There's about an equivalent number of whites and blacks in US prisons, with a lower number of Hispanics and a much smaller amount for the rest. [1] Race doesn't matter, only wealth and status insofar as they get you the influence and connections to swing justice your way. The fact that he's still sentenced and will have to serve while other inmates are currently being released due to covid shows that there isn't a major discrepancy in this particular case. 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-g...

vondur 6y ago

No, the state of California is letting a ton of criminals out of prison. I don’t think they have to finish serving their time either.

tedunangst 6y ago
This was a federal case?

jjeaff 6y ago

Totally agree. I don't like it when the responses are "they should rot in prison" because so many people have done less and been in prison forever. We need to severely reduce sentencing in this country - across the board - for everyone, especially the minorities and impoverished that have borne the brunt of our ridiculous school to prison pipeline.

wolco 6y ago

Rich black people don't have the same privileged to buy justice as rich white people? That's not true. From basketball players to music icons like Michael Jackson the rich can buy a certain level of justice. If you think the white rich still have it easier. I think we are focusing on the wrong thing. The 1% or .1% percentages have it better than everybody else regardless of color.

jhardy54 6y ago
> Rich black people don't have the same privileged to buy justice as rich white people? > > That's not true. Kinda funny how you made up a statement that they didn't say and then started arguing against it. Congratulations, you fought yourself and won.
- wolco 6y ago
  It was in response to the parent post. Below is a direct quote. "A courtesy not afforded to the largely not-rich, not-white general prison population. "
  - xdavidliu 6y ago
    but in your direct quote, it clearly says "not-rich, not-white", so clearly the direct quote was not talking about "rich blacks"
    - BeetleB 6y ago
      The phrase can be interpreted two ways. To simplify this comment, when I say "black" I mean "not white". Easier than to keep typing non-white, etc. You have a quadrant of four categories: 1. Rich and white 2. Poor and white 3. Rich and black 4. Poor and black You are interpreting the statement to refer to "people who are not (rich or white)" - which with Boolean logic expands to "people who are not rich and not white)". Looking at the first form, this means category 4 (people who are poor AND are not white). It also means that poor white people get this privilege, and rich non-whites do. The other person is interpreting it as "not (rich and white)" which means all the categories except 1. Hence the confusion.
      - xdavidliu 6y ago
        in English, comma separated lists of adjectives or other descriptors are almost always understood to have AND between them, not OR. OR must be explicit, otherwise AND is implicitly assumed. This is not just a matter of two equally valid alternative explanations: a reasonable reading of the original sentence "not poor, not white" (along a minimal amount of thought about the context and subject matter, e.g. prisons clearly are not full of rich blacks) would have easily led to the other person realizing that it was category 4 that the parent was talking about, not 1-3.
      - jhardy54 6y ago
        > Hence the confusion. Why would anyone believe that there was confusion? It smells like ideology to me.
munk-a 6y ago
I think rich any-people shouldn't get a free-ride buuut... The comment you're responding to focused on privilege being the primary differentiator, but you focused in on "largely not-rich, not-white general prison population", please read comments a bit closer.
- wolco 6y ago
  I know it wasn't the main point but using false race stereotypes need to get called out regardless.

xenihn 6y ago

Come to California and see for yourself. It is afforded to everyone.

cwhiz 6y ago

It’s a courtesy that is absolutely being afforded to people in California, where this is taking place. Some people just want to see racism everywhere they look.

amznthrwaway 6y ago
That's because we're looking at racist white supremacists, such as yourself. I really wish dang cared about this issue, but dang is very CLEARLY pro white supremacist. It fucking sucks, but it makes sense since Paul Graham is bigoted as hell, and Peter Thiel doesn't even hide his racism. Oh well, congratulations dang, you are helping to keep YC a safe space for whiny racist assholes.
mav3rick 6y ago
Acknowledge your privilege.
- Justin_K 6y ago
  Wow... Or perhaps you should acknowledge that many others are being granted the same treatment. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
  - mav3rick 6y ago
    HN is mostly white software engineers. Any topic on diversity and minorities and the absolute true "colors" come out.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - jpxw 6y ago
      Yes, white males are extremely privileged in modern day tech hiring

albacur 6y ago

You’re trying to make this into a race issue, when that’s not really the case here. The justice system in San Francisco bends over backwards to keep criminals of all races, classes, and backgrounds out of prison, and especially so with Covid-19.

angry_octet 6y ago
Class is a race issue.
- albacur 6y ago
  It’s not a class issue. It’s not a race issue. It’s a “the Bay Area is not putting anyone short of convicted murderers in prison right now” issue.
  - munk-a 6y ago
    It makes sense though - if California only had a single prison and it was built inside of a volcano then we'd object to folks not receiving capital sentences being sent there since there's probably be all sorts of chances that the prisoner die during incarceration. The prisons we have weren't designed for Covid, they aren't safe and while those people are criminals they are people. They did ill but weren't judged worthy of losing their lives and, I'd wager, some people look really closely at their behavior to figure out if they're going to be an immediate societal risk before deferring their sentence.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
Isn't this a Federal case?

ponker 6y ago

A vast number of nonviolent inmates have been released in California: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

yelloworangefog 6y ago

> A courtesy not afforded to the largely not-rich, not-white general prison population. This claim seems to be unsubstantiated and in fact blatantly false... Please take the care to do cursory research on the situation before blindly stoking the race flame. That kind of thing is the very last thing we need in the public discourse right now.

Justin_K 6y ago

They are https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

manigandham 6y ago

There's about an equivalent number of whites and blacks in US prisons, with a lower number of Hispanics and a much smaller amount for the rest. [1] Race doesn't matter, only wealth and status insofar as they get you the influence and connections to swing justice your way. The fact that he's still sentenced and will have to serve while other inmates are currently being released due to covid shows that there isn't a major discrepancy in this particular case. 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-g...