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The media doesn't seem to understand how big this is yet in short and long term damage and loss of life. I guess that doesn't matter? They are more for politica

The media doesn't seem to understand how big this is yet in short and long term damage and loss of life. I guess that doesn't matter? They are more for political bickering now? Running theory Ammonium Nitrate stored at port for many years - https://mobile.twitter.com/HachemYassin/status/1290702640930791424 https://mobile.twitter.com/HachemYassin/status/1290702640930... [Edit] Skipping the loss of grain and produce in port and the actual port in a country on the brink during a pandemic this isn't just 50 dead short term https://mobile.twitter.com/asharfouch/status/1290714104575848448 https://mobile.twitter.com/asharfouch/status/129071410457584...

netsharc 6y ago
What's with "Media"-blaming nowadays, it seems every Tom and Dick expects them to say/do in-depth analysis of everything Tom or Dick wants... At least the main media I read gets it, e.g.: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-explosion-huge-blast-port-lebanon-capital?page=with:block-5f29c1b58f089d9b758a6bb4#block-5f29c1b58f089d9b758a6bb4 https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-ex... On a slight positive side, at least this explosion will mean the rulers of that country can now ask for help without losing face/admitting their failures/corruption...
- aaron695 6y ago
  It's buried when I go to the Guardians homepage. Might be localised though. This is real news. I expect it to be easy to see. Not a doomscrolling meaningless repeat of the C19 countdown for the day.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    See, again with the expectations. If every big event requires a link to in-depth analysis on the front page of a news site, they'd need to have a small font size and a 16K monitor... And you'd complain that it's not in the corner you looked.
    - aaron695 6y ago
      If you think this shouldn't be the clear headline, then I guess we consider news to be different things. I'll go back to reading next in my feed how George R R Martin is racist because he mispronounced someones name (Not an article in the Guardian, and the Guardian's coverage is exceptional for Beirut compared to others like CNN or Fox) [edit] Does the media not care about the largest peacetime explosion in a capital city because they are Arabs? What exactly is bigger than this today?
      - netsharc 6y ago
        Reply to your edit: who's "media" here? The Guardian has it front and center and red (red means live news event). If your "media" falls below your expectations, then stop reading them. But stop saying all media is shit because you read shit news sites. IMO you're part of this problem of people saying all media is illegitimate because some of it is shit...
      - burfog 6y ago
        The news is way worse than that. A couple notable things they mostly buried just this past week: The George Floyd bodycam video leaked out, destroying the BLM narrative (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24046940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24046940 for DailyMail). ABC doesn't cover it. CBS and NBC edit out "Stop resisting". Youtube suppresses it from trending. NBC even had privately seen the bodycam video a month prior, leaving them no excuse for stoking violence across the country. We finally got evidence (both flight logs and a victim statement) that a former US president was at Epstein's island. Both of those are far more important to Americans than a big explosion in a far off city.
        compscistd 6y ago
        This is less an issue of biased narrative vs the truth than _your_ values vs BLM values. To BLM, nothing excuses someone who is supposed to protect and serve putting their weight onto someone's neck for nearly ten minutes. Is a stained toxicology report and non-compliance permission to kill? The BLM "narrative" assumes the answer is no. The right-wing "narrative" assumes the answer is yes. This is less a question of reporting and more a question of what is justified. Thus, the BLM narrative that police violence is excessive is still compelling if you subscribe to the belief that someone placing their knee and weight on a detained person's neck for 8 minutes is excessive, regardless of other circumstances. Ask yourself if you think the situation could have been resolved differently, without loss of life. If outcome isn't important to you because of a toxicology report, mannerisms, circumstances of arrest, other reason to deny life... then a certain unorganized group of people would like to remind you and many others like you that _black lives matter_. But alas, to say the leaked body cam footage "destroys the BLM narrative" implies you won't care about reporting at all if you resort to regurgitating clickbait-language.
  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    Is it? A fireworks explosion in Lebanon is more important to me than whether Congress gets unemployment support fixed, or how my city is doing with the pandemic? Or whether a tropical storm is flooding NYC?
gamblor956 6y ago
This story is on the front page of every major news site in the world right now. They're not providing an "in-depth analysis" because there aren't yet sufficient facts to analyze. Even the authorities don't yet know what actually exploded, or what caused the explosion, or the number of dead, or the number of wounded, or the number of missing. Get off your high horse.
- aaron695 6y ago
  > Get off your high horse. President Trump(And other world leaders) commented about 3 hours ago on this issue. So the fact it's now made a headline is I guess your horse not mine. And authorities do know what exploded, and have made statements. The initial fire is still uncertain. This story was also on HN earlier and Flagged, because of complicated reasons, but it still probably shouldn't have been.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    President(*) Trump just suggested the explosion was an attack. Do you believe his "authority" and "credibility" in the matter, over the "fake news" media? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/donald-trump-suggests-beirut-explosion-was-an-attack/12525738 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/donald-trump-suggests...
    - me_me_me 6y ago
      +1 I would bet my hand that Trump wouldn't be able to roughly point on the map where Lebanon is. But for sure he is the expert on their internal politics and struggles. I am surprised anyone on HK is considering him as source of any info (unless a bot).

netsharc 6y ago

What's with "Media"-blaming nowadays, it seems every Tom and Dick expects them to say/do in-depth analysis of everything Tom or Dick wants... At least the main media I read gets it, e.g.: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-explosion-huge-blast-port-lebanon-capital?page=with:block-5f29c1b58f089d9b758a6bb4#block-5f29c1b58f089d9b758a6bb4 https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/aug/04/beirut-ex... On a slight positive side, at least this explosion will mean the rulers of that country can now ask for help without losing face/admitting their failures/corruption...

aaron695 6y ago
It's buried when I go to the Guardians homepage. Might be localised though. This is real news. I expect it to be easy to see. Not a doomscrolling meaningless repeat of the C19 countdown for the day.
- netsharc 6y ago
  See, again with the expectations. If every big event requires a link to in-depth analysis on the front page of a news site, they'd need to have a small font size and a 16K monitor... And you'd complain that it's not in the corner you looked.
  - aaron695 6y ago
    If you think this shouldn't be the clear headline, then I guess we consider news to be different things. I'll go back to reading next in my feed how George R R Martin is racist because he mispronounced someones name (Not an article in the Guardian, and the Guardian's coverage is exceptional for Beirut compared to others like CNN or Fox) [edit] Does the media not care about the largest peacetime explosion in a capital city because they are Arabs? What exactly is bigger than this today?
    - netsharc 6y ago
      Reply to your edit: who's "media" here? The Guardian has it front and center and red (red means live news event). If your "media" falls below your expectations, then stop reading them. But stop saying all media is shit because you read shit news sites. IMO you're part of this problem of people saying all media is illegitimate because some of it is shit...
    - burfog 6y ago
      The news is way worse than that. A couple notable things they mostly buried just this past week: The George Floyd bodycam video leaked out, destroying the BLM narrative (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24046940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24046940 for DailyMail). ABC doesn't cover it. CBS and NBC edit out "Stop resisting". Youtube suppresses it from trending. NBC even had privately seen the bodycam video a month prior, leaving them no excuse for stoking violence across the country. We finally got evidence (both flight logs and a victim statement) that a former US president was at Epstein's island. Both of those are far more important to Americans than a big explosion in a far off city.
      - compscistd 6y ago
        This is less an issue of biased narrative vs the truth than _your_ values vs BLM values. To BLM, nothing excuses someone who is supposed to protect and serve putting their weight onto someone's neck for nearly ten minutes. Is a stained toxicology report and non-compliance permission to kill? The BLM "narrative" assumes the answer is no. The right-wing "narrative" assumes the answer is yes. This is less a question of reporting and more a question of what is justified. Thus, the BLM narrative that police violence is excessive is still compelling if you subscribe to the belief that someone placing their knee and weight on a detained person's neck for 8 minutes is excessive, regardless of other circumstances. Ask yourself if you think the situation could have been resolved differently, without loss of life. If outcome isn't important to you because of a toxicology report, mannerisms, circumstances of arrest, other reason to deny life... then a certain unorganized group of people would like to remind you and many others like you that _black lives matter_. But alas, to say the leaked body cam footage "destroys the BLM narrative" implies you won't care about reporting at all if you resort to regurgitating clickbait-language.
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  Is it? A fireworks explosion in Lebanon is more important to me than whether Congress gets unemployment support fixed, or how my city is doing with the pandemic? Or whether a tropical storm is flooding NYC?

gamblor956 6y ago

This story is on the front page of every major news site in the world right now. They're not providing an "in-depth analysis" because there aren't yet sufficient facts to analyze. Even the authorities don't yet know what actually exploded, or what caused the explosion, or the number of dead, or the number of wounded, or the number of missing. Get off your high horse.

aaron695 6y ago
> Get off your high horse. President Trump(And other world leaders) commented about 3 hours ago on this issue. So the fact it's now made a headline is I guess your horse not mine. And authorities do know what exploded, and have made statements. The initial fire is still uncertain. This story was also on HN earlier and Flagged, because of complicated reasons, but it still probably shouldn't have been.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  President(*) Trump just suggested the explosion was an attack. Do you believe his "authority" and "credibility" in the matter, over the "fake news" media? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/donald-trump-suggests-beirut-explosion-was-an-attack/12525738 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/donald-trump-suggests...
  - me_me_me 6y ago
    +1 I would bet my hand that Trump wouldn't be able to roughly point on the map where Lebanon is. But for sure he is the expert on their internal politics and struggles. I am surprised anyone on HK is considering him as source of any info (unless a bot).