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The last two years have had a dramatic shift away from SPA and toward JAMstack, which is more or less pre-rendered SPA. The result is not only faster than SPA,

The last two years have had a dramatic shift away from SPA and toward JAMstack, which is more or less pre-rendered SPA. The result is not only faster than SPA, but faster than the 2008-2016 status quo of server-scripted Wordpress and Drupal sites. I blew off JAMstack as another dumb catchphrase (well, it is a dumb catchphrase), but then inherited a Gatsby site this past spring. It absolutely knocked my socks off. The future is bright.

schemy 6y ago
From what I can see JAMstack is just model (api) view (markup) controller (java-script) for web browsers. But it needs a new name because MVC is lame. While PSA treated the browser as a thick client with a very slow disk accessed over the network. And static HTML treats it as a thin client (like X-windows). There hasn't been a new idea in computing since the 70s. The only thing we've done is mutate a square peg into a round one and back again. Each time patting ourselves on the back for the sheer brilliance of the move.
- Eric_WVGG 6y ago
  I've been spending close to a day trying to figure out how to respond to this statement. It's like you're saying, "From what I can see, the 2020 Volkswagen Golf is just another flightless bird, but it needs a new name because calling it a duck doesn't sound fancy." It's not a design pattern, and the element of it that uses one (React) usually implements Flux, not MVC. As for "no new ideas in computing since the 70s," are you actually proposing that we go back to building websites like we did in the seventies? Um, sure. Brilliant.
  - schemy 6y ago
    >I've been spending close to a day trying to figure out how to respond to this statement. It's like you're saying [...] No, it's like I'm saying: Software development is fad driven and shallow. The details change but those details are unimportant and ultimately pointless. Bad metaphors are exactly the type of shallow thinking I'm talking about. A GUI is not a car, a duck, or a fish. It is a UI. That the web is being used as an interactive GUI is a travesty. Without knowing the history of why it was invented in the first place - extremely high latency and low bandwidth of the 90s internet - you will never understand why mutating it to a full GUI is a terrible idea. And why we should have used any of the dozen well engineered technologies that are not hypertext based but work with the internet (low latency high bandwidth) we have today. It's gotten to the point where an X server in an Amazon data center and a VNC client on a phone is more responsive than facebook, twitter and reddit on mobile. >As for "no new ideas in computing since the 70s," are you actually proposing that we go back to building websites like we did in the seventies? Um, sure. Brilliant. Yes, using TeX would be an infinite improvement over the mess we have today. Imagine having one language for everything in a site, instead of the three (five? with markdown and js frameworks) you need today.

schemy 6y ago

From what I can see JAMstack is just model (api) view (markup) controller (java-script) for web browsers. But it needs a new name because MVC is lame. While PSA treated the browser as a thick client with a very slow disk accessed over the network. And static HTML treats it as a thin client (like X-windows). There hasn't been a new idea in computing since the 70s. The only thing we've done is mutate a square peg into a round one and back again. Each time patting ourselves on the back for the sheer brilliance of the move.

Eric_WVGG 6y ago
I've been spending close to a day trying to figure out how to respond to this statement. It's like you're saying, "From what I can see, the 2020 Volkswagen Golf is just another flightless bird, but it needs a new name because calling it a duck doesn't sound fancy." It's not a design pattern, and the element of it that uses one (React) usually implements Flux, not MVC. As for "no new ideas in computing since the 70s," are you actually proposing that we go back to building websites like we did in the seventies? Um, sure. Brilliant.
- schemy 6y ago
  >I've been spending close to a day trying to figure out how to respond to this statement. It's like you're saying [...] No, it's like I'm saying: Software development is fad driven and shallow. The details change but those details are unimportant and ultimately pointless. Bad metaphors are exactly the type of shallow thinking I'm talking about. A GUI is not a car, a duck, or a fish. It is a UI. That the web is being used as an interactive GUI is a travesty. Without knowing the history of why it was invented in the first place - extremely high latency and low bandwidth of the 90s internet - you will never understand why mutating it to a full GUI is a terrible idea. And why we should have used any of the dozen well engineered technologies that are not hypertext based but work with the internet (low latency high bandwidth) we have today. It's gotten to the point where an X server in an Amazon data center and a VNC client on a phone is more responsive than facebook, twitter and reddit on mobile. >As for "no new ideas in computing since the 70s," are you actually proposing that we go back to building websites like we did in the seventies? Um, sure. Brilliant. Yes, using TeX would be an infinite improvement over the mess we have today. Imagine having one language for everything in a site, instead of the three (five? with markdown and js frameworks) you need today.