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Are you denying that there have been tons of high-profile pedophiles, child-trafficiking rings, etc? Did you miss the whole Epstein thing? It's reasonable to as

Are you denying that there have been tons of high-profile pedophiles, child-trafficiking rings, etc? Did you miss the whole Epstein thing? It's reasonable to assume that that's just the tip of the iceberg; not that there's any reason to believe the Q people are going to get to the bottom of any of this. Regardless, it's a reasonable open area of investigation that impacts many people's lives. Do you deny that there was Communist infiltration into government decades ago? McCarthyism may have caused a lot of collateral damage but it's clear to anyone that there was plenty of espionage work happening on behalf of Russia at that time. Hell, if you believe the election tampering meme, it's still happening to this day. Both of those things are/were real. We may never know the whole story, but that doesn't mean there's no reason to look into it. Witches don't need to be brought into this, though of course it seems clear to me that Salem was successful since there aren't any witches now ;)

ncmncm 6y ago
> "Are you denying ..." No. It is hard to understand what you are arguing. Are you criticizing the comparison because it is not apt, or because it is? In the mid-20th century, there really were communist moles in governments; just not as many as were claimed, and mostly not the ones accused. The craze to root them out mainly swept up, and blighted the lives and careers, of innocents. There really were individuals who would supply poisons, but the overwhelming majority of those hung for witchcraft were women who owned property the Church wanted. The people who take advantage of Q will not be rooting out actual offenders, and any of those who are in positions of authority can use Q to divert attention from themselves. I suspect, but cannot support, that obsession with witchcraft arose only after, and largely because, the supply of heretics dried up.
- jakeogh 6y ago
  https://archive.fo/tOXxh https://archive.fo/tOXxh
- core-questions 6y ago
  > It is hard to understand what you are arguing. Well, you appear to be drawing a false equivalence between pedos and communists (real, proven) and witches (not real, unless you believe in magic).
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    There is a very real equivalence in people promoting hysteria about pedos, communists, and witches, completely independently of their expressed targets' existence. Are there actual pederasts and human traffickers? Yes. Do you imagine they are the individuals the Q enthusiasts accuse? I doubt.
    - core-questions 6y ago
      > Are there actual pederasts and human traffickers? Yes. Do you imagine they are the individuals the Q enthusiasts accuse? Who do they accuse whom you think has a really solid excuse? Some demonstration of a false or plausibly-false accusation would be nice.
      - ncmncm 6y ago
        As always in such cases, they will accuse anyone they don't like. Being disliked by demogogues is not probable cause.

ncmncm 6y ago

> "Are you denying ..." No. It is hard to understand what you are arguing. Are you criticizing the comparison because it is not apt, or because it is? In the mid-20th century, there really were communist moles in governments; just not as many as were claimed, and mostly not the ones accused. The craze to root them out mainly swept up, and blighted the lives and careers, of innocents. There really were individuals who would supply poisons, but the overwhelming majority of those hung for witchcraft were women who owned property the Church wanted. The people who take advantage of Q will not be rooting out actual offenders, and any of those who are in positions of authority can use Q to divert attention from themselves. I suspect, but cannot support, that obsession with witchcraft arose only after, and largely because, the supply of heretics dried up.

jakeogh 6y ago
https://archive.fo/tOXxh https://archive.fo/tOXxh
core-questions 6y ago
> It is hard to understand what you are arguing. Well, you appear to be drawing a false equivalence between pedos and communists (real, proven) and witches (not real, unless you believe in magic).
- ncmncm 6y ago
  There is a very real equivalence in people promoting hysteria about pedos, communists, and witches, completely independently of their expressed targets' existence. Are there actual pederasts and human traffickers? Yes. Do you imagine they are the individuals the Q enthusiasts accuse? I doubt.
  - core-questions 6y ago
    > Are there actual pederasts and human traffickers? Yes. Do you imagine they are the individuals the Q enthusiasts accuse? Who do they accuse whom you think has a really solid excuse? Some demonstration of a false or plausibly-false accusation would be nice.
    - ncmncm 6y ago
      As always in such cases, they will accuse anyone they don't like. Being disliked by demogogues is not probable cause.