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I used to build gaming PCs for myself and friends, salvage laptops from parts picked up at auction, etc. But I'm no longer interested in doing that. I'd much ra

by baddox 6y ago

I used to build gaming PCs for myself and friends, salvage laptops from parts picked up at auction, etc. But I'm no longer interested in doing that. I'd much rather just buy the computer I need and not fuss with it. I think both of those "modes" are completely valid, and it's great that there are many options on the market for people in both groups. Is it perhaps "annoying in theory" that I couldn't upgrade my Mac's hardware if I wanted to? I suppose so. But I'm never going to want to do that, so I don't experience any practical annoyance. I suspect my experience matches the overwhelming majority of Apple's customers and potential customers.

paulcarroty 6y ago
> But I'm never going to want to do that, so I don't experience any practical annoyance. It seriously looks like finding an excuse.
- simonh 6y ago
  Before switching to Macs I used to build my own machines. You want to know how many times I upgraded any of them? Never. Seriously, I specced them out quite generously and never needed to, they lasted as long as I intended them to. Now I’m a Mac user it’s the same thing. I’ll spec out a 27” with plenty of headroom and Ill be done.
  - paulcarroty 6y ago
    > You want to know how many times I upgraded any of them? Never. I did it several times. Seriously, upgrade is advantage. Some of Apple fanboys can deny it, but better to have that possibility. And Apple SSD specs in 2020 makes me laughing. But I'm not whining, you want mac - be ready to pay premium price or spend time with hackintosh. It's just business.
    - simonh 6y ago
      Oh come on, Toms Hardware did a roundup of desktop SSDs a few months ago. The iMac drives beat all but one of them, the Sabrent Rocket and that comes in at £750 for a 4TB card. So sure Apple storage is pricey, and if you’re willing to compromise on performance you can get something that looks equivalent for a lot less, or something actually equivalent for a bit less. But there are a lot of other things about Apple gear you can’t get anywhere else full stop, at any price.
      - arvinsim 6y ago
        But Apple is supposed to be marketed towards people who don't care about specs. Why did it suddenly become important in your example?
        simonh 6y ago
        According to who? Everybody cares about value for money. Specs aren't the only reason a product is valuable though, of course. I pay a mark up on Apple gear because of the value I get from the software and customer service, but I still need effective tools and that means up to scratch spec-wise.

by baddox 6y ago

paulcarroty 6y ago

> But I'm never going to want to do that, so I don't experience any practical annoyance. It seriously looks like finding an excuse.

simonh 6y ago
Before switching to Macs I used to build my own machines. You want to know how many times I upgraded any of them? Never. Seriously, I specced them out quite generously and never needed to, they lasted as long as I intended them to. Now I’m a Mac user it’s the same thing. I’ll spec out a 27” with plenty of headroom and Ill be done.
- paulcarroty 6y ago
  > You want to know how many times I upgraded any of them? Never. I did it several times. Seriously, upgrade is advantage. Some of Apple fanboys can deny it, but better to have that possibility. And Apple SSD specs in 2020 makes me laughing. But I'm not whining, you want mac - be ready to pay premium price or spend time with hackintosh. It's just business.
  - simonh 6y ago
    Oh come on, Toms Hardware did a roundup of desktop SSDs a few months ago. The iMac drives beat all but one of them, the Sabrent Rocket and that comes in at £750 for a 4TB card. So sure Apple storage is pricey, and if you’re willing to compromise on performance you can get something that looks equivalent for a lot less, or something actually equivalent for a bit less. But there are a lot of other things about Apple gear you can’t get anywhere else full stop, at any price.
    - arvinsim 6y ago
      But Apple is supposed to be marketed towards people who don't care about specs. Why did it suddenly become important in your example?
      - simonh 6y ago
        According to who? Everybody cares about value for money. Specs aren't the only reason a product is valuable though, of course. I pay a mark up on Apple gear because of the value I get from the software and customer service, but I still need effective tools and that means up to scratch spec-wise.