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And use what instead? I generally use linux on my desktop but have to reboot fairly often to do something windows-related. Libreoffice botches document format
by mmm_grayons 6y ago
And use what instead? I generally use linux on my desktop but have to reboot fairly often to do something windows-related. Libreoffice botches document formatting every time I use it on something above "hello, world." Lots of stuff still only works on windows, though wine compatibility is getting better.
- Snawoot 6y agoI use Windows inside Linux KVM virtual machine mostly for gaming. One of my GPUs passed through into VM with PCI passthrough.
- bavell 6y agoSame setup here. Best of both worlds IMO. Only drawback is to use the GPU on the linux host for e.g. Blender, I need to reboot (GPU can't rebind to PCIe root otherwise or something... thanks Nvidia)
- gruez 6y ago>GPU can't rebind to PCIe root otherwise or something... thanks Nvidia dose this only happen on nvidia, or amd as well?
- Snawoot 6y agoWhen I need to use GPU on Linux, I just start Linux guest VM and run what I need (some native Linux game or hashcat usually). It may seem little bit inconvenient, but I'm happy with such isolation: main system kernel runs not tainted, and Nvidia drivers not always stable - I've seen panics caused by nvidia kernel module.
- gjs278 6y agothat would happen with any pcie card, even non graphics ones
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- spanhandler 6y agoI do it the other way around because 1) I "only" have one GPU, 2) it entirely solves driver-caused instability or other pain in Linux, since Virtualbox Linux drivers are really stable, and 3) it lets me easily suspend-to-disk, resume, and point-backup my running work sessions, which is really nice. I set out building this thing as a Linux workstation, but I guess 1-1.5 generations old hardware was still too cutting-edge. Drivers exist, but X & Wayland (tried both) crashing or permanently artifacting multiple times a day was no fun. Zero crashes since wrapping Linux in Win10 with Virtualbox. Frankly, I should have just paid double for a worse MacOS machine, given the time I've sunk into this. Win10 is spy/adware garbage but it's what I'm stuck with now to have a usable machine. [EDIT] Oh and, surprisingly, RDP to Windows then fullscreening Virtualbox Linux is less painful, better performing, and easier to configure (as in, was no work) than similar on Linux, aside from X-forwarding.
- em-bee 6y agoto you and parent, what's your experience running games in a VM? i prefer to run linux, but there are a few games that are windows only that i'd like to play. which VM software are you using? can you recommend any resources?
- Snawoot 6y agoIt's very close to native performance. Only major issue I had is crackling sound, but it's resolvable. In my setup I have second set of controls (keyboard + mouse) to be forwarded to guest and HDMI output of guest GPU is connected to HDMI switch. Once everything set up, it looks and feels like you have second PC under your desk. I use conventional Linux KVM virtualization ("libvirtd" + "virt-manager" GUI) on Fedora 32 (previously used Debian). Most valuable resource is Arch Wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PCI_passthrough_via_OVM... I've never used Arch Linux, however I always refer to Arch Wiki - it's extremely useful even for other distros.
- em-bee 6y agonice, a second desktop would mean that two people can use the machine at the same time. i like that. i was mostly worried about demanding games needing graphics features that would not work in a VM. (and usb support for the bank dongle) i am also
- em-bee 6y agoaparently incapable of properly proofreading my messages
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoEven then, you're still using Windows and might reasonably want to block telemetry...
- Snawoot 6y agoIt'll be much easier to do this on host machine. And much more reliable. However, in my home network raspberry pi with pihole handles filtering among many other things. For single-player gaming it's OK to disable network on guest windows completely. ISO images with games can be just mounted via virt-manager GUI.
- iso1631 6y agoI've used linux on my desktop for 20 years, I don't understand this "have to reboot to do something windows related", I guess I just use computers for very different things to you.
- learc83 6y agoGaming, programming games, some embedded development using proprietary windows only tool chains, windows only CAD software etc... As you said people use computers for different things than you.
- t0astbread 6y agoOf course Windows-only things are only on Windows. But a lot of Windows-only things have non-Windows-only alternatives.
- learc83 6y agoYes but many don’t. Which is why I find it absurd for someone to say they don’t understand why someone would need to use Windows.
- t0astbread 6y agoFair point but some things you mentioned really do have non-Windows alternatives ("game programming" and "embedded development" aren't limited to Windows-only stacks. I don't know about CAD so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.) My point is, people who say their work is only doable on Windows tend to just be scared to move away from the specific tools they know.
- ViViDboarder 6y agoFor some it may not be true that it’s only doable but still best done. Sure there is CAD software for Linux, but nowhere near the quality of Autodesk on Windows.
- wayneftw 6y agoI run multiple boxes and do all my work in Linux. When I need Windows, I boot up that machine and RDP into it. Over time, I need to do that less and less. I’m still a gamer though, and I refuse to pay exorbitant console prices for games and online play in a walled garden, so I keep one Windows machine around just for that. But I only take it out of sleep when I need it.
- davidgerard 6y ago> Libreoffice botches document formatting every time I use it on something above "hello, world." Without details, I don't believe you.
- em-bee 6y agoprobably an issue with windows document formats. had that last week. a form, where the exact alignment for every bit mattered had checkboxes totally misaligned.
- mmm_grayons 6y agoIt's exactly this sort of thing. I'm not even going to call it libreoffice's fault; it's possible microsoft is the one doing weird, janky stuff. But neither co-workers nor clients care; they only get pissed that every time I edit something the formatting breaks.
- edsac_xyzw 6y agoIf you use QEMU plus KVM (Kernel Virtual Machine), you can say goodbye to dual boot as the virtual machine is run with near native performance. For playing windows-only games, the solution is GPU passthrough, which allows allocating a GPU for the virtual machine providing the maximum gaming performance.
- bserge 6y agoDoes that work on all hardware? I've got laptops, and could maybe use hybrid graphics. I'll look into it, thanks! Edit: so this doesn't work for muxless laptops (I've looked into it before and forgot). The discrete card runs through the Intel iGPU regardless if hybrid graphics is enabled or disabled. The vBIOS can't be accessed directly, so it will result in an error. Some people got this working anyway, but it seems that it's unstable and/or results in low performance.
- arbol 6y agoGoogle sheets works way better than libre office and is not reliant on the OS as it's web based.