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Big problems in Ireland at the moment with American tourists. I realise it's hearsay and Reddit isn't a great source, but lots of people are complaining that th

Big problems in Ireland at the moment with American tourists. I realise it's hearsay and Reddit isn't a great source, but lots of people are complaining that they've seen Americans out and about, who when asked "aren't you quarantining?" have replied that they don't want to quarantine because it would ruin their holiday. Here's an NYT article saying the same: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/world/europe/Ireland-americans-break-quarantine.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/world/europe/Ireland-amer...

ponker 6y ago
I mean Europe has to decide between the tourist dollars and the virus. Americans have demonstrated themselves unfit for the challenge of dealing with this virus so anyone who really cares about keeping their country healthy will ban Americans until the US basically lets everyone catch it.
- PopeDotNinja 6y ago
  As an American who did quarantine in both Spain and the UK, I'm going to disagree with your statement.
  - throwaheyy 6y ago
    Unfortunately, your fellow mask and quarantine non-compliant & self-entitled citizens, putting their own ego above the health of others, disagree with you. In an infectious disease situation, your following the rules is meaningless when many other US citizens seem to think the rules simply don’t apply to them.
  - ponker 6y ago
    An immigration law is a blunt tool. It’s not going to make a clean cut.
owenmarshall 6y ago
> Americans [...] have replied that they don't want to quarantine because it would ruin their holiday. The average American vacation lasts for 17 days[1]. A 14 day quarantine would absolutely ruin that. When faced with the complete revision of your plans and the high sunk cost of international travel, human nature is going to take over: "I stayed inside for a day and I feel fine, so..." If there's one thing Covid-19 has demonstrated, asking people to do the right thing fails in aggregate. If a country doesn't want tourists breaking quarantine, they're going to need to mandate it. [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2019/08/28/what-does-america-have-against-vacation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2019/08/28/what-does-a...
mnm1 6y ago
It's shocking that Ireland or any country on earth right now would be stupid enough to let Americans in without forced testing and forced quarantine.

ponker 6y ago

I mean Europe has to decide between the tourist dollars and the virus. Americans have demonstrated themselves unfit for the challenge of dealing with this virus so anyone who really cares about keeping their country healthy will ban Americans until the US basically lets everyone catch it.

PopeDotNinja 6y ago
As an American who did quarantine in both Spain and the UK, I'm going to disagree with your statement.
- throwaheyy 6y ago
  Unfortunately, your fellow mask and quarantine non-compliant & self-entitled citizens, putting their own ego above the health of others, disagree with you. In an infectious disease situation, your following the rules is meaningless when many other US citizens seem to think the rules simply don’t apply to them.
- ponker 6y ago
  An immigration law is a blunt tool. It’s not going to make a clean cut.

owenmarshall 6y ago

> Americans [...] have replied that they don't want to quarantine because it would ruin their holiday. The average American vacation lasts for 17 days[1]. A 14 day quarantine would absolutely ruin that. When faced with the complete revision of your plans and the high sunk cost of international travel, human nature is going to take over: "I stayed inside for a day and I feel fine, so..." If there's one thing Covid-19 has demonstrated, asking people to do the right thing fails in aggregate. If a country doesn't want tourists breaking quarantine, they're going to need to mandate it. [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2019/08/28/what-does-america-have-against-vacation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2019/08/28/what-does-a...

mnm1 6y ago

It's shocking that Ireland or any country on earth right now would be stupid enough to let Americans in without forced testing and forced quarantine.