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Consider me a curious client who trains and deploys production models on a weekly basis and considers Julia. Well even if I could rewrite our model in Julia how

Consider me a curious client who trains and deploys production models on a weekly basis and considers Julia. Well even if I could rewrite our model in Julia how would I go with prod deployment and who would help me if I get stuck? For Tensorflow, I can use Java API and effortlessly plug in trained model into our Java stack. In case of PyTorch we can bring up a Python service with the same little effort just because Python has it all. When it comes to work, niche languages lose their ground once you start digging deeper and attempt to venture slightly outside their focus domain. They do not have dedicated teams or industrial money and will always lag behind. Look at DL4J, they have a whole company working on it for many years. Of course time will tell but considering the results so far I am not convinced that investing time into learning a new language will pay off. Especially considering Julia interop with C/C++.

dunefox 6y ago
> Especially considering Julia interop with C/C++. Is the interop bad?
- DNF2 6y ago
  As far as I'm aware, Julia interop with C/C++ is particularly excellent. So, maybe the poster can clarify?
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- tastyminerals2 6y ago
  Well, it's been 4 years so maybe it's better now: https://www.zverovich.net/2016/05/13/giving-up-on-julia.html https://www.zverovich.net/2016/05/13/giving-up-on-julia.html Well, running "Hello, World" still takes 0.3 ms :D
  - StefanKarpinski 6y ago
    That is truly the dumbest critique of Julia that's been published. So dumb I didn't bother refuting it at the time, but apparently people take it seriously? - Hello world is slow? Really? Yeah, it's not a hello-world-oriented programming language. - One-based indexing is questionable? Troll much? - Using `ccall` is unsafe? No kidding, there's no way to call a shared library that doesn't crash if you lie to it. - `@printf` sucks? Then don't use it. I never do. The `print` function works for 99% of cases. - Julia development is slowing down? Whiffed on that call. Regarding the C ffi point, you can use Clang.jl to generate correct bindings so that you don't have to read C header files. But note that if you want to call a function in C you need to look at and match its signature, so it's not all that onerous to have to do the same from Julia. Julia's C interop is so good that several other languages have copied it since it came out.
    - tastyminerals2 6y ago
      Yeah, but how else would you judge about the language before spending months on learning it? Critique can be dumb like 1-based index for arrays or nitpicking on syntax. However, I tried Julia several years ago and start-up times was the reason I dropped it. Was it a dumb thing to do too? I was disappointed that a promise of being a dynamic language came with some "but"s. And if you have a lot of scripts that you need to run one-by-one, you don't notice the real speed of the language, all you notice is sluggishness.
      - DNF2 6y ago
        If one isn't willing to spend some time on learning a language, one simply shouldn't write a scathing blogpost about it.
    - dunefox 6y ago
      > So dumb I didn't bother refuting it at the time, but apparently people take it seriously? You definitely should have because from what I saw during my google searches this idiotic article was mentioned a couple of times.

dunefox 6y ago

> Especially considering Julia interop with C/C++. Is the interop bad?

DNF2 6y ago
As far as I'm aware, Julia interop with C/C++ is particularly excellent. So, maybe the poster can clarify?
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tastyminerals2 6y ago
Well, it's been 4 years so maybe it's better now: https://www.zverovich.net/2016/05/13/giving-up-on-julia.html https://www.zverovich.net/2016/05/13/giving-up-on-julia.html Well, running "Hello, World" still takes 0.3 ms :D
- StefanKarpinski 6y ago
  That is truly the dumbest critique of Julia that's been published. So dumb I didn't bother refuting it at the time, but apparently people take it seriously? - Hello world is slow? Really? Yeah, it's not a hello-world-oriented programming language. - One-based indexing is questionable? Troll much? - Using `ccall` is unsafe? No kidding, there's no way to call a shared library that doesn't crash if you lie to it. - `@printf` sucks? Then don't use it. I never do. The `print` function works for 99% of cases. - Julia development is slowing down? Whiffed on that call. Regarding the C ffi point, you can use Clang.jl to generate correct bindings so that you don't have to read C header files. But note that if you want to call a function in C you need to look at and match its signature, so it's not all that onerous to have to do the same from Julia. Julia's C interop is so good that several other languages have copied it since it came out.
  - tastyminerals2 6y ago
    Yeah, but how else would you judge about the language before spending months on learning it? Critique can be dumb like 1-based index for arrays or nitpicking on syntax. However, I tried Julia several years ago and start-up times was the reason I dropped it. Was it a dumb thing to do too? I was disappointed that a promise of being a dynamic language came with some "but"s. And if you have a lot of scripts that you need to run one-by-one, you don't notice the real speed of the language, all you notice is sluggishness.
    - DNF2 6y ago
      If one isn't willing to spend some time on learning a language, one simply shouldn't write a scathing blogpost about it.
  - dunefox 6y ago
    > So dumb I didn't bother refuting it at the time, but apparently people take it seriously? You definitely should have because from what I saw during my google searches this idiotic article was mentioned a couple of times.