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Looking forward to China forcing Microsoft and Apple to sell their China operations to Alibaba. This is going to be fun to watch.

godzillabrennus 6y ago
Watch the United States retaliate by closing all trade to China. The Chinese still need America more. That may not be true forever but it’d be quite an economic collapse if China was shut out of trade with the western world.
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  The Chinese-American trade system is of mutual benefit to both systems ruling powers. We'll talk tough and we'll impose tariffs, but there is absolutely no way that we're going to cut off China globally.
- bamboozled 6y ago
  Yeah, and who's going to make all your stuff for dirt cheap? Do you have any idea how hard the economy relies on China to be be competitive, even more to survive. The thing is you probably could shop around and buy things made elsewhere but: 1) Chinese made things are convenient. 2) Chinese made goods are competitively priced. 3) Chinese made goods are readily available. 4) China makes other things too, such as materials, medical supplies, vaccines... Probably 98% of the items in your house come from China either directly all indirectly.
  - Hithredin 6y ago
    That's the short term impact. On the long term, both side might get stronger by becoming more independent
    - bamboozled 6y ago
      This is assuming you can survive the short term impact, that impact would be no joke.
  - ejanus 6y ago
    This won't last long...change is coming.
fermienrico 6y ago
While I don't condone President Trump's behavior and his approach towards China, and with US losing its place in the world; I find it equally amusing that we in democratic society are willing to kowtow to an authoritarian regime, despite of its overwhelming [1] state of surveillance, Han-supremacy motifs and funding it with more asymmetrical trade policies. Democracy is eroding in front of our eyes and no one seems to care. Hey, at least we can even protest in the west (while getting tear gassed, but not tanks and bullets causing a massacre like 1989). "Take that, America!!!" seems to get people entertained. Not defending America, there are plenty of Americans wanting to say "Take that, China!!!". EU folks are bashing US, US folks are speechless at what their nation is going through, India and China are at arms, Australia has Chinese infestation, Japan is the most Sinophobic country in the world, Taiwan is nervous, Hong Kong is decimated, Eastern EU is going authoritarian, UK is spiraling into isolation, etc. This is not going to be fun to watch. [1] Vice, How China Tracks Everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Y
- menybuvico 6y ago
  We're mostly willing to keep enjoying the fruits of Chinese labour because the lifestyle that has emerged in most Western Countries the last 20-25 years depend on the availability of cheaply manufactured goods. Outsourcing of production, import, distribution and selling of those goods is still cheaper than producing them locally, and this allowed a small number of people to skim money off the top and get quite rich, while consumers still get more for their money compared to the old ways. We would be able to cut China off if we wanted to, but prices on electronics, clothing, and many other goods would soar, and I suspect it would piss the younger generations off even more, possibly increasing the risk of civil unrest. In the West, Generations X and XY still remember what life was like before the availability of goods reached current levels, but I can't imagine that the younger generations even realise what it would mean to go back. Besides, you'd probably have to get rid of the post-war generations first in order to get them to agree to it. Thus, we'll just have to grab some popcorn, watch the show and keep trying to put out the fires, hoping the entire house doesn't burn down. As you say, it's not going to be fun.
  - 6y ago
rasz 6y ago
or Amazon for that matter https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon-sells-off-china-cloud-assets-as-tough-new-rules-bite-idUSKBN1DE0CL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon...

godzillabrennus 6y ago

Watch the United States retaliate by closing all trade to China. The Chinese still need America more. That may not be true forever but it’d be quite an economic collapse if China was shut out of trade with the western world.

ianleeclark 6y ago
The Chinese-American trade system is of mutual benefit to both systems ruling powers. We'll talk tough and we'll impose tariffs, but there is absolutely no way that we're going to cut off China globally.
bamboozled 6y ago
Yeah, and who's going to make all your stuff for dirt cheap? Do you have any idea how hard the economy relies on China to be be competitive, even more to survive. The thing is you probably could shop around and buy things made elsewhere but: 1) Chinese made things are convenient. 2) Chinese made goods are competitively priced. 3) Chinese made goods are readily available. 4) China makes other things too, such as materials, medical supplies, vaccines... Probably 98% of the items in your house come from China either directly all indirectly.
- Hithredin 6y ago
  That's the short term impact. On the long term, both side might get stronger by becoming more independent
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    This is assuming you can survive the short term impact, that impact would be no joke.
- ejanus 6y ago
  This won't last long...change is coming.

fermienrico 6y ago

While I don't condone President Trump's behavior and his approach towards China, and with US losing its place in the world; I find it equally amusing that we in democratic society are willing to kowtow to an authoritarian regime, despite of its overwhelming [1] state of surveillance, Han-supremacy motifs and funding it with more asymmetrical trade policies. Democracy is eroding in front of our eyes and no one seems to care. Hey, at least we can even protest in the west (while getting tear gassed, but not tanks and bullets causing a massacre like 1989). "Take that, America!!!" seems to get people entertained. Not defending America, there are plenty of Americans wanting to say "Take that, China!!!". EU folks are bashing US, US folks are speechless at what their nation is going through, India and China are at arms, Australia has Chinese infestation, Japan is the most Sinophobic country in the world, Taiwan is nervous, Hong Kong is decimated, Eastern EU is going authoritarian, UK is spiraling into isolation, etc. This is not going to be fun to watch. [1] Vice, How China Tracks Everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLo3e1Pak-Y

menybuvico 6y ago
We're mostly willing to keep enjoying the fruits of Chinese labour because the lifestyle that has emerged in most Western Countries the last 20-25 years depend on the availability of cheaply manufactured goods. Outsourcing of production, import, distribution and selling of those goods is still cheaper than producing them locally, and this allowed a small number of people to skim money off the top and get quite rich, while consumers still get more for their money compared to the old ways. We would be able to cut China off if we wanted to, but prices on electronics, clothing, and many other goods would soar, and I suspect it would piss the younger generations off even more, possibly increasing the risk of civil unrest. In the West, Generations X and XY still remember what life was like before the availability of goods reached current levels, but I can't imagine that the younger generations even realise what it would mean to go back. Besides, you'd probably have to get rid of the post-war generations first in order to get them to agree to it. Thus, we'll just have to grab some popcorn, watch the show and keep trying to put out the fires, hoping the entire house doesn't burn down. As you say, it's not going to be fun.
- 6y ago

rasz 6y ago

or Amazon for that matter https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon-sells-off-china-cloud-assets-as-tough-new-rules-bite-idUSKBN1DE0CL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon...