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I'm not here for micromanaging my water heater or refrigerator. Both need to hold their temperature as long as possible and get up(or down) to temperate at som
by shuntress 6y ago
I'm not here for micromanaging my water heater or refrigerator.
Both need to hold their temperature as long as possible and get up(or down) to temperate at some balance point between speed and efficiency. I want my provider to even it out and set a reasonable price between the variable extremes so I don't have to think about it.
- WalterBright 6y agoYou don't have to think about it. Just get an IoT refrigerator.
- shuntress 6y agoSorry, I'm also a picky consumer when it comes to appliances. I want my fridge to be just a simple heat pump controlled by a thermostat.
- WalterBright 6y agoYou'll pay more for electricity, then. Your choice.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoWill? Might. And probably trivially more, especially when you factor in a software update bricking your fridge and the manufacturer has conveniently disappeared / gone bankrupt / changed hands so many times no one knows who supports it. You’re assuming an ideal world, which can’t possibly happen.
- beambot 6y agoSounds like a lot of hellish outcomes to me: Planned obsolescence, selling my data, privacy invasion. Did I miss any?
- WalterBright 6y agoThe only data transmitted to the power company is the query "what is the current price of electricity".
- ComputerGuru 6y agoYeah, but you can bet the manufacturer will avail themselves of every opportunity to make extra money and bundle ads while also selling your data. We've seen it with smart tvs compared to dumb tvs, smart phones compared to dumb phones, smart speakers compared to dumb speakers, etc, etc. You're not thinking capitalistically enough.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoWhy blame capitalism? Call it what it is: exploitation.
- ComputerGuru 6y agoBecause it is. People can choose to pay more for a device that doesn't do that, but they don't (for various reasons). It's capitalism meets human psychology.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoCapital controlled by private owners rather than the state doesn’t necessarily include greed and fraud. Greet and fraud are encouraged, if not idealised. That’s not capitalism fault though. Every other form of economic policy has the same problem, so it can’t be those systems in and of themselves that are the sole issue.
- WalterBright 6y agoWhat data? My water heater sends a query every 10 minutes about the electricity price? And where's it going to display the ad?
- 6y ago
- DevoidSimo 6y agoWorking with some power companies in Australasia, I found out there are actually water heaters which receive a signal over the power lines to turn off and on. You would make an agreement with the power company for a lower rate, and a total amount of hours on per day (plus more details). The power company would then schedule your water heater in off peak times. This was more of a method of managing peak load, however, still seems applicable.
- monadic2 6y agoAny you would recommend? All the sales I’ve seen are based around gimmicky touchscreen and phone app controls that are likely to leave service long before the rest of the fridge does.
- cheerlessbog 6y agoWhen you shower are you aware whether the water was heated an hour ago or a day ago?
- tengbretson 6y agoIf the temperature is beginning to dip below it's acceptable threshold and it's waiting for a certain price before it kicks back on, yes.
- kcb 6y agoYea...hot water heaters aren't perfect insulators.
- jnsaff2 6y agoActually they are pretty good. I did a test where I switched off a completely heated 150L standard home water heater for 36h and after that it only needed to heat for 0,6hWh to become back to the starting temperature.
- tialaramex 6y agoAlso you should always store hot water at a very hot temperature (Nasty bacteria thrive in warm water so you mustn't store it) but you should always mix it (with fresh cold water) to a lower temperature for bathing and washing. So whether it's a tank of 80°C water or a tank of 65°C water make no difference to the 38°C water coming out of the thermostatic mixer in your shower.
- abraae 6y agoYou don't need to keep the water at a high temperature all the time. I don't have the regulations to hand but it's enough to bring it to a high temperature once every few days for some period of time (to kill the bacteria that cause legionnaires disease).
- jnsaff2 6y ago
- Faaak 6y agoThe majority of electric water heaters in France and Swiss households are controlled by the utility company (Enedis in France, SIG, RECOM, etc. in Switzerland). The signal comes as a simple PLC and thus turns on the relay which turns the heater on. The advantages are a lower rate and a guaranteed 8 hours straight on-time per day.