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The European equivalent of the FAA, the EASA are double checking all of the FAAs working here. The FAA are highly motivated to get everything correct this time

by phire 6y ago

The European equivalent of the FAA, the EASA are double checking all of the FAAs working here. The FAA are highly motivated to get everything correct this time in order to repair their reputation (which was tarnished by their original MAX approval). It would be highly embarrassing for if the EASA find anything the FAA missed.

manquer 6y ago
I think FAA's reputation was more tarnished during in the grounding than the original approval, and their failure to investigate thoroughly after the first crash, the delayed the grounding for two days and doing it only after many other regulators did and put pressure on them was really damaging. Similarly Boeing actively blaming pilot error after the first crash and ignoring reports from the field is the real issue to me rather than poor design itself. Every new version of any commercial aircraft is long line of decisions cutting corners, 737's airframe were designed in 1960's for smaller older engines requiring the newer larger engines to placed in the more complex higher position- maintaining the airframe was cheaper than building a brand new model. Keeping the same performance made training/ type certification cheaper etc for airlines. For the most part such decisions do work, developing brand new airplane models is extremely risky financially. It is plausible that risks were not understood well during design and developement, but their failure to act after the first crash is criminal negligence to me and they deserve all they are getting .
tankenmate 6y ago
The EASA made some noises about requiring 3 AoA sensors (which all Airbus aircraft have) as opposed the the MAX's current 2 (most newer Boeing aircraft also have 3). There was also some talk about replacing the 3rd hardware AoA sensor with a virtual sensor (maybe an infrared horizon sensor based AoA indicator which would be much easier to add to the aircraft).
- tankenmate 6y ago
  I found the article I read about the 3rd AoA sensor. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/european-regulator-plans-its-own-test-flights-of-boeing-737-max-in-sign-of-differences-with-faa/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/europ...
cmurf 6y ago
There's every reason to believe EASA are being strong armed by U.S. State Department. This is an administration that thoroughly believes in bribery, extortion, and retribution. I have no more confidence in EASA than FAA. Curious the FAA comes out with their position before any final crash reports by either country. NTSB usually also reports on accidents involving U.S. made aircraft, and that too isn't released yet.

by phire 6y ago

manquer 6y ago

I think FAA's reputation was more tarnished during in the grounding than the original approval, and their failure to investigate thoroughly after the first crash, the delayed the grounding for two days and doing it only after many other regulators did and put pressure on them was really damaging. Similarly Boeing actively blaming pilot error after the first crash and ignoring reports from the field is the real issue to me rather than poor design itself. Every new version of any commercial aircraft is long line of decisions cutting corners, 737's airframe were designed in 1960's for smaller older engines requiring the newer larger engines to placed in the more complex higher position- maintaining the airframe was cheaper than building a brand new model. Keeping the same performance made training/ type certification cheaper etc for airlines. For the most part such decisions do work, developing brand new airplane models is extremely risky financially. It is plausible that risks were not understood well during design and developement, but their failure to act after the first crash is criminal negligence to me and they deserve all they are getting .

tankenmate 6y ago

The EASA made some noises about requiring 3 AoA sensors (which all Airbus aircraft have) as opposed the the MAX's current 2 (most newer Boeing aircraft also have 3). There was also some talk about replacing the 3rd hardware AoA sensor with a virtual sensor (maybe an infrared horizon sensor based AoA indicator which would be much easier to add to the aircraft).

tankenmate 6y ago
I found the article I read about the 3rd AoA sensor. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/european-regulator-plans-its-own-test-flights-of-boeing-737-max-in-sign-of-differences-with-faa/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/europ...

cmurf 6y ago

There's every reason to believe EASA are being strong armed by U.S. State Department. This is an administration that thoroughly believes in bribery, extortion, and retribution. I have no more confidence in EASA than FAA. Curious the FAA comes out with their position before any final crash reports by either country. NTSB usually also reports on accidents involving U.S. made aircraft, and that too isn't released yet.