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> A change to the status quo, as it were. You didn't thought things through. If you're talking about a global pandemic then quite obviously you aren't talking

> A change to the status quo, as it were. You didn't thought things through. If you're talking about a global pandemic then quite obviously you aren't talking about a scenario where the state of things already changed radically. Moreover, I fail to see how keeping things as they are can be passed as a rational argument against something. You're actually arguing that things should not change because otherwise things would change, which makes absolutely no sense at all.

msandford 6y ago
> You didn't thought things through. If you're talking about a global pandemic then quite obviously you aren't talking about a scenario where the state of things already changed radically. I agree that the state of the world has changed radically. What we're debating is how the law should change. The world will get over C19 in another year or two. We're still stuck with a PATRIOT Act from 2001. That's 19 years ago now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act > Moreover, I fail to see how keeping things as they are can be passed as a rational argument against something. You're actually arguing that things should not change because otherwise things would change, which makes absolutely no sense at all. I was attempting to suggest that there's a difference between "things which already are a given and have been for a long time" vs "new things which we're going to decide are a thing newly, right now". Yes seatbelts are essentially mandatory (if you drive) and have been so for the last 30-50 years depending on state. But I think it's not entirely fair to compare new mandates/requirements/laws to existing ones. The existing ones have had a chance for their long-term implications to play out. The new ones would be new. We don't know all the long-term implications of the new thing. It's probably impossible to know what the long term implications would be. What I don't see (sadly) is anyone saying "hey lets make masks mandatory until expiration on Jan1 2021 with possible 6mo extensions after that". So people who are worried about government overreach have every reason to be worried! The pandemic is very, very unlikely to last forever. The laws that get passed are very, very unlikely to ever be repealed. PATRIOT Act was a temporary measure until we "got" the terrorists. It's nearly 20 years later. It only took a decade in Afghanistan to bankrupt the USSR. We're going on two decades. These concerns may not be entirely foolish.

msandford 6y ago

> You didn't thought things through. If you're talking about a global pandemic then quite obviously you aren't talking about a scenario where the state of things already changed radically. I agree that the state of the world has changed radically. What we're debating is how the law should change. The world will get over C19 in another year or two. We're still stuck with a PATRIOT Act from 2001. That's 19 years ago now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act > Moreover, I fail to see how keeping things as they are can be passed as a rational argument against something. You're actually arguing that things should not change because otherwise things would change, which makes absolutely no sense at all. I was attempting to suggest that there's a difference between "things which already are a given and have been for a long time" vs "new things which we're going to decide are a thing newly, right now". Yes seatbelts are essentially mandatory (if you drive) and have been so for the last 30-50 years depending on state. But I think it's not entirely fair to compare new mandates/requirements/laws to existing ones. The existing ones have had a chance for their long-term implications to play out. The new ones would be new. We don't know all the long-term implications of the new thing. It's probably impossible to know what the long term implications would be. What I don't see (sadly) is anyone saying "hey lets make masks mandatory until expiration on Jan1 2021 with possible 6mo extensions after that". So people who are worried about government overreach have every reason to be worried! The pandemic is very, very unlikely to last forever. The laws that get passed are very, very unlikely to ever be repealed. PATRIOT Act was a temporary measure until we "got" the terrorists. It's nearly 20 years later. It only took a decade in Afghanistan to bankrupt the USSR. We're going on two decades. These concerns may not be entirely foolish.