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I am possibly wrong and not stating this in absolute terms, but it seems to me, most view this report as negative. Unfortunately, not having multiple similar r

by neatze 6y ago

I am possibly wrong and not stating this in absolute terms, but it seems to me, most view this report as negative. Unfortunately, not having multiple similar reports on different ideologies, it is very hard or even impossible to conclude it is actually negative. There is good chance there is similar report on every ideology, possible organizations, that currently show any signs of possible violence on US territory independent of politics, religion, or race.

bscphil 6y ago
Suppose it's true that "there is similar report on every ideology, possible organizations" then that's a major problem, not the opposite of a problem. Not every organization that shows "any signs of possible violence" is tied to a foreign power, and a consistent attempt to discover connections in cases where they're likely absent suggests an incredibly high degree of paranoia among American intelligence organizations, which might be even more dangerous than them arbitrarily going after a single organization because of the political interests of this administration.
- neatze 6y ago
  Do you agree that people who acquired experience in urban warfare should be investigated for potential threats to homeland with or without context of current situation ?
  - bscphil 6y ago
    That's not the question at hand: the question is about "Tying Antifa to Foreign Powers". Whether they're a potential threat to the security of the state is a different question, which I don't particularly want to wade into. Also, I haven't seen any particularly good evidence that Antifa as an organization has "acquired experience in urban warfare", whatever that means. I haven't seen videos of protestors exchanging fire with cops in the street.
    - neatze 6y ago
      Leaked report in article does not tying it either to large degree, it does covers recent events and people, as far I comprehend.

by neatze 6y ago

bscphil 6y ago

Suppose it's true that "there is similar report on every ideology, possible organizations" then that's a major problem, not the opposite of a problem. Not every organization that shows "any signs of possible violence" is tied to a foreign power, and a consistent attempt to discover connections in cases where they're likely absent suggests an incredibly high degree of paranoia among American intelligence organizations, which might be even more dangerous than them arbitrarily going after a single organization because of the political interests of this administration.

neatze 6y ago
Do you agree that people who acquired experience in urban warfare should be investigated for potential threats to homeland with or without context of current situation ?
- bscphil 6y ago
  That's not the question at hand: the question is about "Tying Antifa to Foreign Powers". Whether they're a potential threat to the security of the state is a different question, which I don't particularly want to wade into. Also, I haven't seen any particularly good evidence that Antifa as an organization has "acquired experience in urban warfare", whatever that means. I haven't seen videos of protestors exchanging fire with cops in the street.
  - neatze 6y ago
    Leaked report in article does not tying it either to large degree, it does covers recent events and people, as far I comprehend.