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There's also the simple fact that attractiveness is endogenous. An intelligent, hard-working person will realize that attractive people get treated better and w

There's also the simple fact that attractiveness is endogenous. An intelligent, hard-working person will realize that attractive people get treated better and work to make themself attractive.

o-__-o 6y ago
My rule of thumb is the attractive person never gets fired. I haven't thought this rule any further than that, but I've observed it to be true throughout most of my 15 years of work
BurningFrog 6y ago
Like I've heard several gorgeous people say: "Do you think this just happens?"
- luckylion 6y ago
  To be fair, you also hear rich people inheriting money saying the same. Nobody wants their success to be based on the luck of the draw, everybody wants it to be because of their hard work and perseverance because otherwise it's not an accomplishment.
  - jdm2212 6y ago
    No one who has a full time job and is in good shape, with well-maintained hair, healthy skin, and a nice wardrobe, stays that way by accident. It's a ton of work. It comes more easily to some than others, but an hour at the gym is an hour at the gym, whether you enjoy it or not. I say this as someone who mostly doesn't do the work, but I have plenty of friends and colleagues (and a spouse) who mostly do. It's effort and money and time and stress for them.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      Sure, and there's probably some that you wouldn't ever notice as attractive if they didn't spend an hour on make-up and another hour on tuning their abs each day. But most of it is genetic lottery, not hard work. The same is true for money. It's still work to turn a million dollars into two million, but it's not anywhere close to the work required to turn a dollar into a million dollars. But nobody wants to be successful because of a lottery, so they'll argue that their father gave them "a small loan of a million dollars" but they made it big themselves.
      - jdm2212 6y ago
        > But most of it is genetic lottery, not hard work. The luck part isn't primarily about genetics [1], it's about whether you enjoy (or at least don't hate) the routines necessary to be attractive. For instance: my wife sticks to a strict diet because she doesn't like having to make decisions about food. If you're lucky enough to be wired like her (I'm writing this next to an empty pizza box...), you can hit any goal weight and stay there. Our bathroom is covered in lotions and creams that she spends an hour applying before bed every night. I could not tell you their names, to say nothing of their purposes. She goes to the gym every day except for planned rest days, and does a workout routine that was decided on weeks ahead of time. I maybe go for a jog, if I remember to and I'm feeling up to it. I've tried copying what she does, and I can't even stick to it for a day. But most women I know do some version of this, and all of the really attractive men do, too. [1] sure, it is possible to really lose the genetic lottery, but unless you would've been a 19th century circus freak, the bottleneck is probably how hard you're trying, not your genetics
        misanthropian00 6y ago
        There are no routines necessary to be attractive. It is something you are either born with or not born with and it is pretty obvious at a very young age.
        jdm2212 6y ago
        That gets the causality backwards. Your personality is set pretty early in life and determines characteristics like how self-aware you are, how vain you are, whether you care about how you come across to others, and more. Those qualities determine how much effort you put into being attractive.
        misanthropian00 6y ago
        If you need to put in effort then you you are not attractive in the first place. Attractive people are beautiful when they wake up in the morning. I Know this from experience. I am referring to facial beauty though. Maybe you are thinking of TnA.
misanthropian00 6y ago
Work to make themselves attractive? What are you talking about?

There's also the simple fact that attractiveness is endogenous. An intelligent, hard-working person will realize that attractive people get treated better and work to make themself attractive.

o-__-o 6y ago

My rule of thumb is the attractive person never gets fired. I haven't thought this rule any further than that, but I've observed it to be true throughout most of my 15 years of work

BurningFrog 6y ago

Like I've heard several gorgeous people say: "Do you think this just happens?"

luckylion 6y ago
To be fair, you also hear rich people inheriting money saying the same. Nobody wants their success to be based on the luck of the draw, everybody wants it to be because of their hard work and perseverance because otherwise it's not an accomplishment.
- jdm2212 6y ago
  No one who has a full time job and is in good shape, with well-maintained hair, healthy skin, and a nice wardrobe, stays that way by accident. It's a ton of work. It comes more easily to some than others, but an hour at the gym is an hour at the gym, whether you enjoy it or not. I say this as someone who mostly doesn't do the work, but I have plenty of friends and colleagues (and a spouse) who mostly do. It's effort and money and time and stress for them.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Sure, and there's probably some that you wouldn't ever notice as attractive if they didn't spend an hour on make-up and another hour on tuning their abs each day. But most of it is genetic lottery, not hard work. The same is true for money. It's still work to turn a million dollars into two million, but it's not anywhere close to the work required to turn a dollar into a million dollars. But nobody wants to be successful because of a lottery, so they'll argue that their father gave them "a small loan of a million dollars" but they made it big themselves.
    - jdm2212 6y ago
      > But most of it is genetic lottery, not hard work. The luck part isn't primarily about genetics [1], it's about whether you enjoy (or at least don't hate) the routines necessary to be attractive. For instance: my wife sticks to a strict diet because she doesn't like having to make decisions about food. If you're lucky enough to be wired like her (I'm writing this next to an empty pizza box...), you can hit any goal weight and stay there. Our bathroom is covered in lotions and creams that she spends an hour applying before bed every night. I could not tell you their names, to say nothing of their purposes. She goes to the gym every day except for planned rest days, and does a workout routine that was decided on weeks ahead of time. I maybe go for a jog, if I remember to and I'm feeling up to it. I've tried copying what she does, and I can't even stick to it for a day. But most women I know do some version of this, and all of the really attractive men do, too. [1] sure, it is possible to really lose the genetic lottery, but unless you would've been a 19th century circus freak, the bottleneck is probably how hard you're trying, not your genetics
      - misanthropian00 6y ago
        There are no routines necessary to be attractive. It is something you are either born with or not born with and it is pretty obvious at a very young age.
        jdm2212 6y ago
        That gets the causality backwards. Your personality is set pretty early in life and determines characteristics like how self-aware you are, how vain you are, whether you care about how you come across to others, and more. Those qualities determine how much effort you put into being attractive.
        misanthropian00 6y ago
        If you need to put in effort then you you are not attractive in the first place. Attractive people are beautiful when they wake up in the morning. I Know this from experience. I am referring to facial beauty though. Maybe you are thinking of TnA.

misanthropian00 6y ago

Work to make themselves attractive? What are you talking about?