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The individual rights argument is not pretty strong. Here’s a partial list of things I did today for the sake of my neighbors/community that are also government
by elliekelly 6y ago
The individual rights argument is not pretty strong. Here’s a partial list of things I did today for the sake of my neighbors/community that are also government mandated:
- Wore a shirt
- Turned on my headlights and used my turn signals
- Held on to my empty coffee cup until I got to a trash can when I could have just dropped it on the ground
- Kept my dog on a leash and picked up his poop
- Parked in a parking spot instead of conveniently stopping my car in the middle of traffic directly in front of the grocery store door
I’m sure there are plenty others. Being a member of society comes with a lot of privileges and a handful of obligations but it only works if we all do our part. No freeloaders, right?
Edit: An extra word
- brighton36 6y agoThese are objective concessions. Most of these concessions took tens (or thousands) of years to become objective.
- smnrchrds 6y ago> - Wore on a shirt Where do you live where this is government mandated?
- elliekelly 6y agoI’m a woman so my nipples are criminalized in most of the United States.
- smnrchrds 6y agoThat's terrible. I'm glad that this is not the case here in Canada. It does make no sense whatsoever for it to be like this in the US. I agree with your other examples, but this one is clearly unjust and should change.
- rossdavidh 6y agoIn many parts of the U.S., it's not actually illegal for women to be topless, they just don't. It is often a requirement for a liquor license, however. For example, where I live in Austin, Texas, state law does not prohibit a woman being topless, and Texas is not generally among the most liberal of states.
- undersuit 6y agoProactively mitigating the abuses that would emerge from a state that doesn't need to encourage more low paying jobs that have a very high rate of sex trafficking? At least the Bud Light at the strip club isn't $12 like that place I went in Las Vegas.
- enobrev 6y agoJust wanted to add that it's legal for women to be topless in NYC. There's even a celebration day for it at the end of August.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoIt's legal statewide and specifically because it would be unfair for men to have the exclusive privilege.
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- jschwartzi 6y agoIf you’re a woman this might be considered indecent exposure in many parts of the US unless you’re at a beach or in a resort town.
- ghaff 6y agoIn stores pretty much anywhere.
- smnrchrds 6y agoThat's not government mandated.
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- ogre_codes 6y agoBut the anti-maskers insist on having the right to not wear a mask in stores as well when the business has clearly marked masks are required and staff ask them to leave. If the anti-maskers respected the rights of others around them as much as they insist on others respecting their rights, this would be nearly a non-issue.
- ghaff 6y agoI had assumed it was state laws for ostensible health reasons. But it turns out to have sort of an interesting history and, as you say, apparently isn't legally mandated in any state according to this article: https://people.howstuffworks.com/where-did-shirt-shoes-required-come.htm https://people.howstuffworks.com/where-did-shirt-shoes-requi...
- libraryatnight 6y agoCan you imagine these "patriots" during WWII? Rationing? That's treading on my liberties!
- gaukes 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Francisco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Franci... I really don't think people have changed in 100 years, they will always complain. We just need to do it anyways.
- libraryatnight 6y agoFascinating.
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y agoThe argument from rationality sailed once COVID became a political tool
- marcell 6y agoIn the case of masks, you have a big change in human tradition. There are very few societies that have ever required all people to wear masks all the time. I can't think of any examples. A small handful of modern societies require it for specific subgroups, but that's it. Generally, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In the case of masks, I want to see very strong evidence that masks are very necessary, and other approaches wouldn't have similar or better results with lower change to human tradition. So far, I haven't seen that at all. The scientific evidence that masks are effective or necessary is weak. Alternate approaches (eg. wearing a mask if you're symptomatic, staying at home if you're symptomatic) may be just as effective. The examples you cite have roots in human tradition, and have been established for many years, mostly with strong evidence.
- elliekelly 6y agoWhat harm will befall people who see my breasts and what strong scientific evidence can you provide to substantiate that theoretical harm?
- marcell 6y agoTo be honest that topic people can debate. Men are allowed to walk around without a shirt. Women breastfeed in public pretty frequently. There is however a long history and tradition of humans wearing clothing to cover their genitals. Even very primitive societies have this norm, and it has pretty obvious reasons behind it.
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- coldtea 6y agoDoesn't have to be "scientificaly substantiated" harm. Killing someone is not a scientifically substantiated harm either. Of course we harm the other person's health (that's objective), but that in itself is only bad in the sense that "life is good" and "we should respect life / not kill". And that is not a scientific argument but a moral one. The universe doesn't care either way.
- undersuit 6y ago>- Wore a shirt I still insist you wear chaps on top of pants or your short trousers. Pants are fashion, chaps protect.