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Ok. I get that. But then again he is punishing them for hiring sub-contractors then. What's the rationale here? I don't understand how any government agency can

Ok. I get that. But then again he is punishing them for hiring sub-contractors then. What's the rationale here? I don't understand how any government agency can operate without subcontracting. Why would anyone go for the most expensive subcontractor on the basis that they don't employ H1Bs? I don't think anyone is using that criteria. They should explicitly write rules for this if that's what they want to enforce. Either way, it seems like a very petty and selectively populist political move. "Look I fired this fucker who wasn't prioritizing American workers".... That dude hardly knew about that. He was looking at the price tag, not the LCAs of their sub-contractors.

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toomuchtodo 6y ago
> But then again he is punishing them for hiring sub-contractors then. What's the rationale here? I don't understand how any government agency can operate without subcontracting. Why would anyone go for the most expensive subcontractor on the basis that they don't employ H1Bs? I don't think anyone is using that criteria. I would expect that you would be required to meet federal government labor regulations and standards (including H1B visa requirements), even when using subcontractors, when you are a federally chartered corporation or are doing business with the federal government. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/guide-to-labor-and-employment-obligations-federal-contractors https://www.natlawreview.com/article/guide-to-labor-and-empl... (A Guide to Labor and Employment Obligations for Federal Contractors) > IX. Subcontracting: Contractors must recognize that their obligations under these laws and executive orders also apply to their subcontractors. Many CBAs provide that the agreement applies to any subcontractor used by the contractor to perform work done by covered employees, and the contractor is responsible for the subcontractor’s failure to comply with the terms of the CBA. (snipped non-relevant union language for brevity, available in link above) EDIT: @belltaco: You're violating the law if you replace US workers with H1Bs [1] [2]. This is supposedly what TVA contractors have done [3] [4] [5]. [1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/11/08/h-1b-spouses-h-4-work-authorization-means-more-job-competition-for-u-s-workers-judges/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/11/08/h-1b-spouses-h-4-work... [2] https://www.uscis.gov/report-fraud/combating-fraud-and-abuse-in-the-h-1b-visa-program https://www.uscis.gov/report-fraud/combating-fraud-and-abuse... [3] https://usagag.com/tennessee-valley-authority-firing-american-workers-replacing-with-cheaper-h1b-labor/ https://usagag.com/tennessee-valley-authority-firing-america... [4] https://whnt.com/news/huntsville/protesters-in-huntsville-rally-against-tva-lay-offs/ https://whnt.com/news/huntsville/protesters-in-huntsville-ra... [5] https://youtu.be/nlXUooEvd4o https://youtu.be/nlXUooEvd4o
- belltaco 6y ago
  Did TVA or their subcontractors violate any of those? Doesn't look like it.
ejanus 6y ago
I thought H1Bs were supposed to be world-class engineers whose class could not be found locally. But if the sole purpose of hiring them is for labour arbitrage then this would not go well with American workers.

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toomuchtodo 6y ago

> But then again he is punishing them for hiring sub-contractors then. What's the rationale here? I don't understand how any government agency can operate without subcontracting. Why would anyone go for the most expensive subcontractor on the basis that they don't employ H1Bs? I don't think anyone is using that criteria. I would expect that you would be required to meet federal government labor regulations and standards (including H1B visa requirements), even when using subcontractors, when you are a federally chartered corporation or are doing business with the federal government. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/guide-to-labor-and-employment-obligations-federal-contractors https://www.natlawreview.com/article/guide-to-labor-and-empl... (A Guide to Labor and Employment Obligations for Federal Contractors) > IX. Subcontracting: Contractors must recognize that their obligations under these laws and executive orders also apply to their subcontractors. Many CBAs provide that the agreement applies to any subcontractor used by the contractor to perform work done by covered employees, and the contractor is responsible for the subcontractor’s failure to comply with the terms of the CBA. (snipped non-relevant union language for brevity, available in link above) EDIT: @belltaco: You're violating the law if you replace US workers with H1Bs [1] [2]. This is supposedly what TVA contractors have done [3] [4] [5]. [1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/11/08/h-1b-spouses-h-4-work-authorization-means-more-job-competition-for-u-s-workers-judges/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/11/08/h-1b-spouses-h-4-work... [2] https://www.uscis.gov/report-fraud/combating-fraud-and-abuse-in-the-h-1b-visa-program https://www.uscis.gov/report-fraud/combating-fraud-and-abuse... [3] https://usagag.com/tennessee-valley-authority-firing-american-workers-replacing-with-cheaper-h1b-labor/ https://usagag.com/tennessee-valley-authority-firing-america... [4] https://whnt.com/news/huntsville/protesters-in-huntsville-rally-against-tva-lay-offs/ https://whnt.com/news/huntsville/protesters-in-huntsville-ra... [5] https://youtu.be/nlXUooEvd4o https://youtu.be/nlXUooEvd4o

belltaco 6y ago
Did TVA or their subcontractors violate any of those? Doesn't look like it.

ejanus 6y ago

I thought H1Bs were supposed to be world-class engineers whose class could not be found locally. But if the sole purpose of hiring them is for labour arbitrage then this would not go well with American workers.