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A good way to tell if a comment is rude or accusatory is to replace the people you're talking about with people you like. > Just remember to acknowledge how ex

A good way to tell if a comment is rude or accusatory is to replace the people you're talking about with people you like. > Just remember to acknowledge how exceedingly well this works for Jews and the uphill battle faced by others. The above comment doesn't sound good and shouldn't be accepted by the community. Neither should the comment against whites.

jessaustin 6y ago
"Doesn't sound good" contributes nothing to the discussion, other than betraying your lack of understanding. Ethics does not depend on personal preferences, and it's ridiculous to suggest I "like" Jews more than I "like" white people. As it happens, in certain circumstances the substitution you seem to intend as some sort of reductio ad absurdum would make perfect sense. Since I recently watched "Uncut Gems" and I love "Snatch", I'm thinking of the diamond industry in New York and Antwerp. Doesn't it seem fair to say that someone from those particular communities would have a leg up in that business? The centuries-long struggle for increased equality in USA has little to do with whom one "likes" or not. Your fixation on personal preference shows how little of this you understand.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
  "Doesn't sound good" contributes nothing to the discussion. It's racist and discriminatory, I just didn't deem it necessary to use such direct, harsh language about what many consider a touchy subject. it's ridiculous to suggest I "like" Jews more than I "like" white people I used Jews as an example because Post-WW2 teachings of Jewish suppression would make the comparison more relatable to most people. That plus their relative per-person power distribution is more comparable to whites than, say, African Americans, making the comparison more fair. Use whatever group you like in substitution. The point is that you interpret such messages differently if the person is part of your "tribe." Your fixation on personal preference shows how little of this you understand. This moves into personal attack. That's unproductive.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    In fact, I am a white Caucasian but I am not a Jew. At this point, one such as myself would have to have his head up his ass not to realize that racism exists in USA, and it manifests among other ways in the privilege enjoyed by many (but of course not all!) white people in USA business contexts. "Racist" isn't a bad word. Many aspects of our society are actually racist, and we need a word to describe that situation. You write as if the worst thing one can do when one observes racism is to call it by its name. In fact that's just about the only good response we have. If you think someone is being racist then tell them about it. Just be prepared for laughter when they discover that what you're really whinging about is being reminded that privilege exists. If you really were e.g. a white handicapped high school dropout from eastern Kentucky, you wouldn't be surprised, because you'd see thread parent's privilege just as clearly as any minority sees it.
    - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
      If you think someone is being racist then tell them about it. Just be prepared for laughter when they discover that what you're really whinging about is being reminded that privilege exists Sure, but the way to do it isn't to scream "You're privileged!!!" That's not productive and makes people defensive. Same for the poar above. The way they presented it was unproductive.
      - jessaustin 6y ago
        This is the post above, in its entirety: Just remember to acknowledge how exceedingly well this works for white guys and the uphill battle faced by others. The delicate flowers who are made defensive about that completely reasonable and unremarkable advice are terrible people, and this nation is worse for their continued presence here. Such people should take a long look in the mirror, and they should try to be better humans.
        TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
        Racism(defined as discrimination due to race) is not reasonable. The post above was racist, so warranted a rebuke in my opinion. By 2048, whites will be the minority in the US. If our culture allows anti-white discrimination between now and then, then there will be major conflicts within the country. I think it would be good to try to avoid that.

jessaustin 6y ago

"Doesn't sound good" contributes nothing to the discussion, other than betraying your lack of understanding. Ethics does not depend on personal preferences, and it's ridiculous to suggest I "like" Jews more than I "like" white people. As it happens, in certain circumstances the substitution you seem to intend as some sort of reductio ad absurdum would make perfect sense. Since I recently watched "Uncut Gems" and I love "Snatch", I'm thinking of the diamond industry in New York and Antwerp. Doesn't it seem fair to say that someone from those particular communities would have a leg up in that business? The centuries-long struggle for increased equality in USA has little to do with whom one "likes" or not. Your fixation on personal preference shows how little of this you understand.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
"Doesn't sound good" contributes nothing to the discussion. It's racist and discriminatory, I just didn't deem it necessary to use such direct, harsh language about what many consider a touchy subject. it's ridiculous to suggest I "like" Jews more than I "like" white people I used Jews as an example because Post-WW2 teachings of Jewish suppression would make the comparison more relatable to most people. That plus their relative per-person power distribution is more comparable to whites than, say, African Americans, making the comparison more fair. Use whatever group you like in substitution. The point is that you interpret such messages differently if the person is part of your "tribe." Your fixation on personal preference shows how little of this you understand. This moves into personal attack. That's unproductive.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  In fact, I am a white Caucasian but I am not a Jew. At this point, one such as myself would have to have his head up his ass not to realize that racism exists in USA, and it manifests among other ways in the privilege enjoyed by many (but of course not all!) white people in USA business contexts. "Racist" isn't a bad word. Many aspects of our society are actually racist, and we need a word to describe that situation. You write as if the worst thing one can do when one observes racism is to call it by its name. In fact that's just about the only good response we have. If you think someone is being racist then tell them about it. Just be prepared for laughter when they discover that what you're really whinging about is being reminded that privilege exists. If you really were e.g. a white handicapped high school dropout from eastern Kentucky, you wouldn't be surprised, because you'd see thread parent's privilege just as clearly as any minority sees it.
  - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
    If you think someone is being racist then tell them about it. Just be prepared for laughter when they discover that what you're really whinging about is being reminded that privilege exists Sure, but the way to do it isn't to scream "You're privileged!!!" That's not productive and makes people defensive. Same for the poar above. The way they presented it was unproductive.
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      This is the post above, in its entirety: Just remember to acknowledge how exceedingly well this works for white guys and the uphill battle faced by others. The delicate flowers who are made defensive about that completely reasonable and unremarkable advice are terrible people, and this nation is worse for their continued presence here. Such people should take a long look in the mirror, and they should try to be better humans.
      - TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
        Racism(defined as discrimination due to race) is not reasonable. The post above was racist, so warranted a rebuke in my opinion. By 2048, whites will be the minority in the US. If our culture allows anti-white discrimination between now and then, then there will be major conflicts within the country. I think it would be good to try to avoid that.