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> Are case rates low enough for people to safely crowd into bars on Friday night? Why are you bringing up a strawman? Nobody in this thread suggested that.

jrockway 6y ago
That was intended to be a direct reply to your original concern about businesses being fined for not serving the right kind of food. I think you're saying that it's arbitrary and capricious, but I'm saying it makes sense in terms of reducing the number of people that go into bars without closing them completely. Maybe my personal experience is wrong, but bars are pretty crowded in New York City, and I think reducing the crowding can have a large impact in slowing the spread of coronavirus.
- chimeracoder 6y ago
  > I'm saying it makes sense in terms of reducing the number of people that go into bars without closing them completely. Maybe my personal experience is wrong, but bars are pretty crowded in New York City Where are bars crowded indoors in New York City?
  - jrockway 6y ago
    During the pandemic? No idea. I am staying home except for my weekly grocery shopping trip. Before the pandemic? Everywhere? I never found a non-crowded bar, anyway, but I am willing to believe that they exist.
    - chimeracoder 6y ago
      I'm confused, because earlier you implied that you had direct knowledge of overcrowding recently (during the pandemic), and particularly indoors. > My impression from walking around outside is that... we don't really appear to be taking the threat seriously anymore. Everyone has gotten masks with exhaust vents, so they can comply with the mask regulations without actually protecting anyone from their disease. Restaurants, stores, and parks are packed. People are basically done caring. > Are case rates low enough for people to safely crowd into bars on Friday night? > Maybe my personal experience is wrong, but bars are pretty crowded in New York City But now you're saying that you don't have direct observation of any of this during the pandemic. > During the pandemic? No idea. I am staying home except for my weekly grocery shopping trip.
      - jrockway 6y ago
        I don't have any direct observation of bars. I stopped going outside because it's so crowded and people appear so uninterested in doing anything to help others. During the phase when masks were a new thing, everyone was well-behaved and it didn't bother me as much. People have gotten bored with the rules, so I now minimize the time spent outside. Maybe that's dumb, because there is no risk of outdoor transmission. I'm not going to bet my life on it. Maybe everyone else reached the same conclusion as me, and bars are totally abandoned on Friday night. But I doubt it. People are just living their normal lives right now, and don't have COVID-19 because they're lucky, not because they took any steps to reduce the spread. The thing that really gets me are the respirators with exhaust ports. Those are great if you are using a table saw all day. But they do nothing to prevent you from giving me your respiratory disease, which is kind of the point of masks right now.

jrockway 6y ago

That was intended to be a direct reply to your original concern about businesses being fined for not serving the right kind of food. I think you're saying that it's arbitrary and capricious, but I'm saying it makes sense in terms of reducing the number of people that go into bars without closing them completely. Maybe my personal experience is wrong, but bars are pretty crowded in New York City, and I think reducing the crowding can have a large impact in slowing the spread of coronavirus.

chimeracoder 6y ago
> I'm saying it makes sense in terms of reducing the number of people that go into bars without closing them completely. Maybe my personal experience is wrong, but bars are pretty crowded in New York City Where are bars crowded indoors in New York City?
- jrockway 6y ago
  During the pandemic? No idea. I am staying home except for my weekly grocery shopping trip. Before the pandemic? Everywhere? I never found a non-crowded bar, anyway, but I am willing to believe that they exist.
  - chimeracoder 6y ago
    I'm confused, because earlier you implied that you had direct knowledge of overcrowding recently (during the pandemic), and particularly indoors. > My impression from walking around outside is that... we don't really appear to be taking the threat seriously anymore. Everyone has gotten masks with exhaust vents, so they can comply with the mask regulations without actually protecting anyone from their disease. Restaurants, stores, and parks are packed. People are basically done caring. > Are case rates low enough for people to safely crowd into bars on Friday night? > Maybe my personal experience is wrong, but bars are pretty crowded in New York City But now you're saying that you don't have direct observation of any of this during the pandemic. > During the pandemic? No idea. I am staying home except for my weekly grocery shopping trip.
    - jrockway 6y ago
      I don't have any direct observation of bars. I stopped going outside because it's so crowded and people appear so uninterested in doing anything to help others. During the phase when masks were a new thing, everyone was well-behaved and it didn't bother me as much. People have gotten bored with the rules, so I now minimize the time spent outside. Maybe that's dumb, because there is no risk of outdoor transmission. I'm not going to bet my life on it. Maybe everyone else reached the same conclusion as me, and bars are totally abandoned on Friday night. But I doubt it. People are just living their normal lives right now, and don't have COVID-19 because they're lucky, not because they took any steps to reduce the spread. The thing that really gets me are the respirators with exhaust ports. Those are great if you are using a table saw all day. But they do nothing to prevent you from giving me your respiratory disease, which is kind of the point of masks right now.