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I feel like you're ignoring a key point here, which is that these stingray devices can MitM your phone by forcing it to send essentially unencrypted messages. T

by rrose 6y ago

I feel like you're ignoring a key point here, which is that these stingray devices can MitM your phone by forcing it to send essentially unencrypted messages. That's both more technically complicated and more serious than passive tracking.

bob1029 6y ago
I don't think OP is ignoring any points. It is a statement of fact that we've been carrying around what ultimately amount to high power RFID surveillance devices in our pockets for about 20-30 years now (en masse). There are also many on this board at this very moment who can remember life before any of this technology or concern was a thing. In 1990, if you walked to the store without telling anyone where you were going, you were basically a ghost as far as anyone else was concerned. In 2020, even if you leave all of your digital electronics at home, you will probably be detected by someone else's electronics.
- rrose 6y ago
  OP is sort of shrugging off the information in this article by saying that it should be common sense that by carrying a phone you are trackable. I don't really disagree with that. But a major point of the article is that not only are you trackable, but you can be actively surveilled or even have your text messages spoofed, which is not common knowledge and isn't really encapsulated by the "radio in your pocket" analogy
WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
> these stingray devices can MitM your phone by forcing it to send essentially unencrypted messages. Earlier Harris equip did that by forcing 2g mode but 2g is being turned off: https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/a-complete-overview-of-2g-3g-sunsets https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/a-complete-overview-of-2g-3g... I'm less familiar with the capabilities of current IMEI catchers tho.
- bigiain 6y ago
  > Earlier Harris equip did that by forcing 2g mode but 2g is being turned off Even if the carriers switch off all their 2G towers (which happened here in .au years back), I wonder how many handsets will still happily connect to a Stingray-type device that offers it a 2G connection?

by rrose 6y ago

bob1029 6y ago

I don't think OP is ignoring any points. It is a statement of fact that we've been carrying around what ultimately amount to high power RFID surveillance devices in our pockets for about 20-30 years now (en masse). There are also many on this board at this very moment who can remember life before any of this technology or concern was a thing. In 1990, if you walked to the store without telling anyone where you were going, you were basically a ghost as far as anyone else was concerned. In 2020, even if you leave all of your digital electronics at home, you will probably be detected by someone else's electronics.

rrose 6y ago
OP is sort of shrugging off the information in this article by saying that it should be common sense that by carrying a phone you are trackable. I don't really disagree with that. But a major point of the article is that not only are you trackable, but you can be actively surveilled or even have your text messages spoofed, which is not common knowledge and isn't really encapsulated by the "radio in your pocket" analogy

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

> these stingray devices can MitM your phone by forcing it to send essentially unencrypted messages. Earlier Harris equip did that by forcing 2g mode but 2g is being turned off: https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/a-complete-overview-of-2g-3g-sunsets https://1ot.mobi/resources/blog/a-complete-overview-of-2g-3g... I'm less familiar with the capabilities of current IMEI catchers tho.

bigiain 6y ago
> Earlier Harris equip did that by forcing 2g mode but 2g is being turned off Even if the carriers switch off all their 2G towers (which happened here in .au years back), I wonder how many handsets will still happily connect to a Stingray-type device that offers it a 2G connection?