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I don’t think I’ll ever get over how Federal agents, in uniform, making lawful arrests, where suspects were Mirandized, interviewed, and then released, somehow

by zaroth 6y ago

I don’t think I’ll ever get over how Federal agents, in uniform, making lawful arrests, where suspects were Mirandized, interviewed, and then released, somehow becomes black-bagging simply because they didn’t put a decal on their vehicle.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
People in Portland were being arrested without being Mirandized. https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/07/18/federal-law-enforcement-is-making-unconstitutional-arrests-in-portland/#3b5e846112a6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/07/18/federa...
- zaroth 6y ago
  > This should not be happening in the United States. A person cannot be constitutionally arrested without charge, without being read his rights, and without the arresting officials identifying whom they work for and into whose custody the arrestee is being taken or where he is being taken. This is at least partly false. First, you need to be Mirandized before being interviewed. You do not need to be Mirandized at the moment you are being arrested. “The Miranda warning (from the U.S. Supreme Court's Miranda v. Arizona decision), requires that officers let you know of certain facts after your arrest, before questioning you.” Second, you can be arrested with reasonable suspicion even if no charges are ultimately brought; “In the U.S. and its territories, FBI special agents may make arrests for any federal offense committed in their presence or when they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed, or is committing, a felony violation of U.S. laws” Third, you can be legally arrested by plainclothes officers that identify themselves as police. In some jurisdictions you can even be arrested by another citizen.
  - rydre 6y ago
    > This is at least partly false. First, you need to be Mirandized before being interviewed. You do not need to be Mirandized at the moment you are being arrested. > because they didn’t put a decal on their vehicle. Dude do you really see no problem with this? My biggest issue is how do I know if they're actual law enforcement agencies or some thugs? If I were in the situation, I would not know to resist the arrest or to comply because I do not know if they're kidnappers or law enforcers. I do not have much of a problem if I know they're actual law enforcers. But I can easily see this slipping into worse things like gangs pretending to be law enforcement and kidnapping people.
anonymoushn 6y ago
In the video the guy was not Mirandized or told that he was under arrest.
NikolaeVarius 6y ago
Is this a real post? How are people supposed to record, for the purpose of later review, the actions of a un-identified set of people?

by zaroth 6y ago

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

People in Portland were being arrested without being Mirandized. https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/07/18/federal-law-enforcement-is-making-unconstitutional-arrests-in-portland/#3b5e846112a6 https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/07/18/federa...

zaroth 6y ago
> This should not be happening in the United States. A person cannot be constitutionally arrested without charge, without being read his rights, and without the arresting officials identifying whom they work for and into whose custody the arrestee is being taken or where he is being taken. This is at least partly false. First, you need to be Mirandized before being interviewed. You do not need to be Mirandized at the moment you are being arrested. “The Miranda warning (from the U.S. Supreme Court's Miranda v. Arizona decision), requires that officers let you know of certain facts after your arrest, before questioning you.” Second, you can be arrested with reasonable suspicion even if no charges are ultimately brought; “In the U.S. and its territories, FBI special agents may make arrests for any federal offense committed in their presence or when they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed, or is committing, a felony violation of U.S. laws” Third, you can be legally arrested by plainclothes officers that identify themselves as police. In some jurisdictions you can even be arrested by another citizen.
- rydre 6y ago
  > This is at least partly false. First, you need to be Mirandized before being interviewed. You do not need to be Mirandized at the moment you are being arrested. > because they didn’t put a decal on their vehicle. Dude do you really see no problem with this? My biggest issue is how do I know if they're actual law enforcement agencies or some thugs? If I were in the situation, I would not know to resist the arrest or to comply because I do not know if they're kidnappers or law enforcers. I do not have much of a problem if I know they're actual law enforcers. But I can easily see this slipping into worse things like gangs pretending to be law enforcement and kidnapping people.

anonymoushn 6y ago

In the video the guy was not Mirandized or told that he was under arrest.

NikolaeVarius 6y ago

Is this a real post? How are people supposed to record, for the purpose of later review, the actions of a un-identified set of people?