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MLK was non-conformist. Aligning oneself with the hegemonic theories of the wealthy and powerful however, is not.

• richardARPANET 6y ago
  He was also a creep.
  • jahaja 6y ago
    He was?
    • schemy 6y ago
      Yes, the FBI director sent him a letter to kill himself or have his affairs exposed.
      • jahaja 6y ago
        Having "affairs" doesn't make someone a creep, and certainly doesn't deserve even the slightest mention when assessing the man.
        • NateEag 6y ago
          How is whether he broke a solemn vow irrelevant to assessing him? Especially if it purportedly happened multiple times, and the religion he preached condemns that behavior so thoroughly?
          • jahaja 6y ago
            Because his "religious points"-score is unrelated to his universal message and the moral panic of it is thoroughly outdated.
            • NateEag 6y ago
              This is not about whether he agrees with me (or anyone else). It's about whether he practices what he preaches. No one is perfect, but it's unwise to trust people who consistently advise one behavior but do another themselves. Also, if he promised to be faithful to his wife, and then engaged in multiple affairs, he broke a big promise multiple times. Again, I'd say that's relevant in deciding how much he should be trusted.
              • jahaja 6y ago
                > but it's unwise to trust people who consistently advise one behavior but do another themselves. Well, clergymen haven't been strangers to that kind of inconsistency throughout history. Luckily it's been relegated to gossip tabloids in modern society.
                • NateEag 6y ago
                  Certainly true. Not all have been guilty of it, though. I do not default to trusting pastors (despite being a devout Christian) - the United States is full to the brim of people who claim the title and act remarkably unlike Jesus Christ (a phenomenon predicted repeatedly in the first few decades of Christianity's establishment, I'll note).
                  • jahaja 6y ago
                    > he United States is full to the brim of people who claim the title and act remarkably unlike Jesus Christ Yeah, indeed. Even though I see myself as both a socialist and atheist I have absolutely zero problem with religious people or religion in itself. To each their own. I actually admire the commitment and self-sacrifice of monks/nuns of various beliefs. What leaves me dumbfounded however is how so many people have somehow managed to cherry-pick all the worst aspects - egoism, intolerance, greed, no empathy beyond the in-group etc. - but still somehow argue that they're followers of a religion based on compassion for others (and especially the less fortunate?).
        • steve76 6y ago
          Leadership murdered young is the worst possible outcome. The criminal who committed the murder did not set out to win a political argument. The world cornered a monster, and the monster took the path of most damage to make the world ugly. Monsters survive easier in an ugly world. If the monster murdered Ted Kennedy or Jesse Jackson instead, roles reverse. Today, in 2020, more people suffer under worst slavery than anytime in human history. If crimes centuries ago matter, what about the much more horrible crimes of today? Everything leaders do will be copied. Leaders attract monsters. The world works itself out better without forced leadership. Easiest way to force leadership? Push out all the people who ask for too much. Bring in people who can be bought for cheap. People do not work to make the world fair, or good, or even to have fun and a good time for all. People work to win, and do anything to win, because the top of the world comes down to coarse critical decisions. Stop the bleeding. Just come home. They die, you live. Good people have little power, still very much the underdog in the world. Look closely and see warning signs of monsters at the top of the food chain. The world, powerless to stop them. Monarchists want their colonies back. Marxists laugh at suffering, believing full well they will live forever or walk the Earth again after death. Both travel far to torture Americans to death. It's better to stay obscure and aloof. The world's evil hits you enough already if you do nothing. When it does, remind the world why it's wrong to wake sleeping monsters filled with a terrible resolve. I am building a telescope to focus into a black hole. Look at it the right way, everything out there says your heat is not escaping your body but instead going directly into your heart, cooking you alive. After I use cosmic observation to kill, I use it to poison the world against you. Everything that could ever existed, poxed and salted against your existence. I am not sure how to build heaven. I am convinced I built hell. Bother me again, we find out.
    • deiznof 6y ago
      No, it was a COINTELPRO operation. They made up a bunch of propaganda for character assassination that, to no surprise, never got released because it didn't exist.
      • jahaja 6y ago
        I'm aware of that, just wanted the poster to explain himself.
  • brodouevencode 6y ago
    Look at the sum of the contributions. Even if he engaged in extramarital affairs the overall benefit to society must be acknowledged.
• googthrowaway42 6y ago
  There are righteous forms of hierarchy and tyrannical forms of hierarchy. What your argument boils down to is an attack on hierarchy qua hierarchy. Very common to see these days as it is a classic revolutionary/Marxist ideal but it's also entirely inconsistent with natural law. Even within the revolutionary ideal, every revolution has its leaders and its strongmen because that's just how people organize themselves and those at the top live better off than those at the bottom (think Lenin and Stalin vs the starving masses).
  • jahaja 6y ago
    > it's also entirely inconsistent with natural law You're equating your subjective ideas with natural law? Seem a bit over-confident to say the least. > There are righteous forms of hierarchy Yes, a parent towards a their child. What other forms of righteous hierarchies are you thinking about? > think Lenin and Stalin vs the starving masses That would be the tyrannical form and completely illegitimate.
    • googthrowaway42 6y ago
      > What other forms of righteous hierarchies are you thinking about? Head surgeon and other surgeons. CTO and other engineers. VP of sales and sales people, etc. Other forms of hierarchy would be upper and lower courts. Whether or not these are righteous is dependent on if, for example, the head surgeon is actually experienced and talented and a good leader. If he's just some shmuck they pulled off the street or if he's only in that position because he's friends with the hospital president then that would be a tyrannical or dysfunctional hierarchy. >That would be the tyrannical form and completely illegitimate. That's my point. But hierarchy itself is not illegitimate. That hierarchy itself is legitimate is a reflection of natural law. That was my assertion.
      • jahaja 6y ago
        There seem to be some mixing of hierarchies and authority here, but even anarchists aren't as dogmatically opposed to all kinds of authority that you seem to imply? "Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult the architect or the engineer For such special knowledge I apply to such a "savant." But I allow neither the bootmaker nor the architect nor the "savant" to impose his authority on me. I listen to them freely and with all the respect merited by their intelligence, their character, their knowledge, reserving always my incontestable right of criticism and censure." Mikhail Bakunin
• lol2143651 6y ago
  Choosing to plagiarise truly is non-conformity