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Does anyone not see how fucked up this is?

by ETHisso2017 6y ago

ethbro 6y ago
TikTok is well within their rights to close their US business. If they want access to the US market, perhaps they should take that up with their own government.
diebeforei485 6y ago
ByteDance had the choice to seek CFIUS review when they purchased Musical.ly in 2017. But they didn't. What's happening to them is similar to what happened to Grindr.
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keeganpoppen 6y ago
seems a bit questionable to me as well, as it seems pretty close to just straight-up nationalizing them...
viklove 6y ago
It's nice to see our government responding to the CCP appropriately for once.
tannhaeuser 6y ago
It's totally fucked up. By the same reasoning ("national security"), any country that hasn't already can and will now sooner or later ban US-dominated social networks, especially when networks as they exist benefitted from US antitrust turning a blind eye towards large scale purchases. The EU court of justice has just ruled against "safe harbour" arguing that personal data can be turned over to US authorities without due process. Pulling a "deal you can't decline" also won't exactly help mutual investments. I believe the gravity of this hasn't been appreciated yet.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  Somehow I get the impression that this will kill FiveEyes, which was abused by a recent administration, if I'm not mistaken.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    FiveEyes is an awful lot more than social media observation. Don't need to care about social media if you've tapped email services.
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      True, but what I'm talking about is asking another country to spy on your citizens for you so you don't have to violate the law. Wink-wink style. An open mind that considers other viewpoints is one that can outplay opponents. Literal thinkers can be led in circles.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        I'm talking about the same thing. For example, it's illegal for the NSA or CIA to harvest emails between American citizens. But it's not illegal for the UK to do so, and it's already understood how they did it in the past to Google users by tapping inter-datacenter connections (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i...), then feeding that data back to the NSA as a FiveEyes partner.
rasz 6y ago
this fucked? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon-sells-off-china-cloud-assets-as-tough-new-rules-bite-idUSKBN1DE0CL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon...

Does anyone not see how fucked up this is?

TikTok is well within their rights to close their US business. If they want access to the US market, perhaps they should take that up with their own government.

diebeforei485 6y ago

ByteDance had the choice to seek CFIUS review when they purchased Musical.ly in 2017. But they didn't. What's happening to them is similar to what happened to Grindr.

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keeganpoppen 6y ago

seems a bit questionable to me as well, as it seems pretty close to just straight-up nationalizing them...

viklove 6y ago

It's nice to see our government responding to the CCP appropriately for once.

tannhaeuser 6y ago

It's totally fucked up. By the same reasoning ("national security"), any country that hasn't already can and will now sooner or later ban US-dominated social networks, especially when networks as they exist benefitted from US antitrust turning a blind eye towards large scale purchases. The EU court of justice has just ruled against "safe harbour" arguing that personal data can be turned over to US authorities without due process. Pulling a "deal you can't decline" also won't exactly help mutual investments. I believe the gravity of this hasn't been appreciated yet.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
Somehow I get the impression that this will kill FiveEyes, which was abused by a recent administration, if I'm not mistaken.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  FiveEyes is an awful lot more than social media observation. Don't need to care about social media if you've tapped email services.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    True, but what I'm talking about is asking another country to spy on your citizens for you so you don't have to violate the law. Wink-wink style. An open mind that considers other viewpoints is one that can outplay opponents. Literal thinkers can be led in circles.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      I'm talking about the same thing. For example, it's illegal for the NSA or CIA to harvest emails between American citizens. But it's not illegal for the UK to do so, and it's already understood how they did it in the past to Google users by tapping inter-datacenter connections (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i...), then feeding that data back to the NSA as a FiveEyes partner.

rasz 6y ago

this fucked? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon-sells-off-china-cloud-assets-as-tough-new-rules-bite-idUSKBN1DE0CL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-amazon-cloud/amazon...