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No, they're undercounting. You can't get away from the piles of corpses, and only a small number of these are explained by the increases in other deaths.

by DanBC 6y ago

chiefalchemist 6y ago
No. They're not. The tradition and standard of comorbidies has been _completely_ abandoned. It's absolutely unscientific to say that ever death with C19 present was caused by C19. That's not how it works. The fact that this ruse has been normalized doesn't make it right. The truth is, at this point, the data is in such shambles that it can't be used to produce accurate information to drive intelligent decisions. That's what we've been seeing, and continue to see. Believe what you want but the absence of comorbidies should be a red flag. Either you see the danger in that slight-of-hand, or you dont.
- DanBC 6y ago
  How many corpses are there? How did they die? If you're claiming they died of cancer or heart attacks or cardiac arrests or stroke you still need to explain why there are so many more than normal.
  - chiefalchemist 6y ago
    The smartest thing for me to recommend is to find someone who understand comorbidies and how they have traditionally worked in healthcare, cause of death, and so on. They'll explain it quicker than I can. You're also more likely to listen to someone you know. That aside, you're assuming that any incremental death can be attributed to Covid and only to Covid. That's a false and unscientific assumption. Futhermore, in a country with the obesity rate of the USA's it's foolish to believe that Covid is the only thing leading to death. There's a reason it's called morbidly obese.
    - DanBC 6y ago
      > The smartest thing for me to recommend is to find someone who understand comorbidies I have, which is why I talk about all cause excess mortality. https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving-the-coronavirus-covid-19/ https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386... > You're assuming that any incremental death can be attributed to Covid and only to Covid. No I'm not. I'm asking you what you've read that makes you believe what you're saying. Support the claims you're making.

No, they're undercounting. You can't get away from the piles of corpses, and only a small number of these are explained by the increases in other deaths.

by DanBC 6y ago

No, they're undercounting. You can't get away from the piles of corpses, and only a small number of these are explained by the increases in other deaths.

chiefalchemist 6y ago

No. They're not. The tradition and standard of comorbidies has been _completely_ abandoned. It's absolutely unscientific to say that ever death with C19 present was caused by C19. That's not how it works. The fact that this ruse has been normalized doesn't make it right. The truth is, at this point, the data is in such shambles that it can't be used to produce accurate information to drive intelligent decisions. That's what we've been seeing, and continue to see. Believe what you want but the absence of comorbidies should be a red flag. Either you see the danger in that slight-of-hand, or you dont.

DanBC 6y ago
How many corpses are there? How did they die? If you're claiming they died of cancer or heart attacks or cardiac arrests or stroke you still need to explain why there are so many more than normal.
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  The smartest thing for me to recommend is to find someone who understand comorbidies and how they have traditionally worked in healthcare, cause of death, and so on. They'll explain it quicker than I can. You're also more likely to listen to someone you know. That aside, you're assuming that any incremental death can be attributed to Covid and only to Covid. That's a false and unscientific assumption. Futhermore, in a country with the obesity rate of the USA's it's foolish to believe that Covid is the only thing leading to death. There's a reason it's called morbidly obese.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    > The smartest thing for me to recommend is to find someone who understand comorbidies I have, which is why I talk about all cause excess mortality. https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving-the-coronavirus-covid-19/ https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2020/03/31/counting-deaths-involving... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386... > You're assuming that any incremental death can be attributed to Covid and only to Covid. No I'm not. I'm asking you what you've read that makes you believe what you're saying. Support the claims you're making.