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Not sure why you get downvoted. The pre-corona aviation growth rate was a real problem. > Aviation could consume a quarter of 1.5C carbon budget by 2050 https

Not sure why you get downvoted. The pre-corona aviation growth rate was a real problem. > Aviation could consume a quarter of 1.5C carbon budget by 2050 https://www.carbonbrief.org/aviation-consume-quarter-carbon-budget https://www.carbonbrief.org/aviation-consume-quarter-carbon-...

PeterStuer 6y ago
I think many people are still thinking of this as a temporary crisis that hopefully we can forget asap and turn back to "normal" as if this part of 2020 never happened. It is understandable as this crisis has not been easy on anyone. However, I would dare to expect more from a long term policy perspective. There are many things that were unsustainable with our socio-economic lifestyle long before the Corona crisis. While we can not prevent the impacts on the individual people businesses, we could use the funds that are rightfully mobilized to aid them to shape a "new" economy that is more aligned with the coming climate crisis. We did this in the past (also much too late) e.g. with the coal mining sector in Belgium. For a long time we tried to keep that activity alive just because 'jobs, jobs, jobs'. It took decades before politics was ready to stop trowing good money after bad, and create regional re-conversion funds to turn those local economies around and give them a 'new' economic activity model that did have a future. This is why I would advocate a scenario that spend on those people/companies impacted in industries such as aviation to turn them towards to other more sustainable parts of the future economy rather than just keep poring in money to let them cling to an ever more precarious activity.
goatinaboat 6y ago
The pre-corona aviation growth rate was a real problem. The data centre industry emits as much CO2 as aviation, see how far you get on here proposing that we need to do less computing, to save the planet!
- perfunctory 6y ago
  Yes! We need to do less computing too. Much less. See, I said it.
  - goatinaboat 6y ago
    We need to do less computing too. I didn’t even mention the cost of desktop computing running all that shitty JavaScript. Probably at least as much CO2 again from just the ads.
- redisman 6y ago
  Data centers are much easier to turn carbon neutral though. "Just" switch out the electricity provider. Flying with something other than jet fuel is more of an existential risk to the industry.

PeterStuer 6y ago

I think many people are still thinking of this as a temporary crisis that hopefully we can forget asap and turn back to "normal" as if this part of 2020 never happened. It is understandable as this crisis has not been easy on anyone. However, I would dare to expect more from a long term policy perspective. There are many things that were unsustainable with our socio-economic lifestyle long before the Corona crisis. While we can not prevent the impacts on the individual people businesses, we could use the funds that are rightfully mobilized to aid them to shape a "new" economy that is more aligned with the coming climate crisis. We did this in the past (also much too late) e.g. with the coal mining sector in Belgium. For a long time we tried to keep that activity alive just because 'jobs, jobs, jobs'. It took decades before politics was ready to stop trowing good money after bad, and create regional re-conversion funds to turn those local economies around and give them a 'new' economic activity model that did have a future. This is why I would advocate a scenario that spend on those people/companies impacted in industries such as aviation to turn them towards to other more sustainable parts of the future economy rather than just keep poring in money to let them cling to an ever more precarious activity.

goatinaboat 6y ago

The pre-corona aviation growth rate was a real problem. The data centre industry emits as much CO2 as aviation, see how far you get on here proposing that we need to do less computing, to save the planet!

perfunctory 6y ago
Yes! We need to do less computing too. Much less. See, I said it.
- goatinaboat 6y ago
  We need to do less computing too. I didn’t even mention the cost of desktop computing running all that shitty JavaScript. Probably at least as much CO2 again from just the ads.
redisman 6y ago
Data centers are much easier to turn carbon neutral though. "Just" switch out the electricity provider. Flying with something other than jet fuel is more of an existential risk to the industry.