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is CNN really putting up anything except news - of which reuters/AP/UPI already give a pretty good overview for free? And while all the left/neoliberal (and cli

by fock 6y ago

is CNN really putting up anything except news - of which reuters/AP/UPI already give a pretty good overview for free? And while all the left/neoliberal (and clickbaity) things you noted are free, they are less concerned with news, but more opinion – to my knowledge they don't try to make the impression of a news outlet as much as the listed ones (which carry typical news-speak even in their name!)

rbecker 6y ago
All those sites look like news sites to me, except the Atlantic, which is indeed limited to opinion/commentary. Salon's About page: "Salon covers breaking news, politics, entertainment, culture, and technology through investigative reporting, commentary, criticism, and provocative personal essays." A few titles from their site: -As pandemic spreads, feds go MIA -Did Steve Daines get pharma kickback? -The second pandemic: Pollution -Many Black, Latinx and poor Americans who needed relief the most never got a stimulus check: study -Dr. Fauci says it's not "dreaming" that a coronavirus vaccine could arrive by 2021 -The COVID-19 downturn triggers jump in Medicaid enrollment The Root has an explicit "News" section (theroot.com/c/news). Some titles from the site (not limited to that section): -Jamaica's Supreme Court Rules That School Can Ban Child With Dreadlocks (No, We're Not Kidding) -Protests Planned in St. Louis, Mo. After New Prosecutor Says He Won't Make Criminal Charges in Police Killing of Michael Brown -Brooklyn Man Sentenced to 10 Years for Hate Crime Against Black Woman -After a Summer of Social Media Trolling By Gen Z, Trump Says He's Going to Ban TikTok From America -Rumored VP Candidate Rep. Karen Bass Explains Video of Her Praising Church of Scientology, Denounces Fidel Castro -Michigan Appeals Court Grants Release of Black Girl Who Was Detained After Not Doing Online Homework Vox: -The slow-motion 2020 election disaster states are scrambling to prevent, explained -The US ambassador to Brazil reportedly asked Brazilian officials to help Trump’s reelection -Scientists have backed away from the worst-case climate scenario — and the best one too -“The end of arms control as we know it” -Polls: Biden and Trump are nearly tied in North Carolina and Georgia -As coronavirus cases increase worldwide, an Australian state is imposing tough new restrictions -Lawmakers still “not close” to a coronavirus stimulus deal, a day after $600 federal relief expired Huffpost also has a "News" section (the most prominent of all). Some titles taken straight from their front page: -Coronavirus Live Updates: Read The Latest About The COVID-19 Outbreak -Top Health Official: Time To ‘Move On’ From Hydroxychloroquine Efficacy Claims -College Athletes Threaten To Skip Season Over COVID-19, Racial Justice Demands -Watchdog Calls For Probe Amid Fears Of ‘Voter Suppression Tactics’ Through Postal Service -Thousands Ordered To Evacuate As Wildfires Scorch Southern California -Navy SEALS Investigate Video Of Dogs Attacking Colin Kaepernick Stand-In The very first section of Slate is titled "News & Politics". A few titles from that section: -The US Takes On TikTok -The Republican National Convention in Charlotte Will Be Closed to the Press -Arizona Congressman Tests Positive for COVID-19, Blasts Republicans Who Don’t Wear Masks -Hundreds of Coronavirus Infections at Georgia Camp Raise Tough Questions About Schools Reopening -EU Extends Ban on Dangerous Foreign Travelers (Americans) In sum, there's no way to claim these are not news sites.
- fock 6y ago
  nothing in "investigative reporting, commentary, criticism, and provocative personal essays" is, what I consider news. q.e.d. vox.com: "Vox explains the news.". No shroud of being objective here either. q.e.d. slate.com: "we are a general-interest publication offering analysis and commentary about politics, news, business, technology, and culture" general interest is vague, but no non-commented news here either, q.e.d. the root has a category "news", but if you visit their main page you see, it's just a sort of "community news-ticker" (like any political page has) and I don't see them making claims to universality. Compare that to Breitbart mingling everything there is into their political agend and explicitly stating: "truthful reporting", ... , "Breitbart News is one of America’s leading news organizations." leaves the huffpost which is laughable by design.
  - rbecker 6y ago
    > nothing in "investigative reporting, [..]" is, what I consider news. q.e.d. At this point I don't think there's anything I can say that will convince you. But yes, if you invent some contrived definition of "news site" that disqualifies every left-wing site, only right-wing ones remain. And I don't understand how that is even relevant to the article - as long as you can "get your news" from some source, that's enough. It doesn't have to pass some made-up purity test of what qualifies as a news site, because readers won't be applying that test. To pretend only right-wing sites share news and opinion for free is just willful blindness.

by fock 6y ago

rbecker 6y ago

All those sites look like news sites to me, except the Atlantic, which is indeed limited to opinion/commentary. Salon's About page: "Salon covers breaking news, politics, entertainment, culture, and technology through investigative reporting, commentary, criticism, and provocative personal essays." A few titles from their site: -As pandemic spreads, feds go MIA -Did Steve Daines get pharma kickback? -The second pandemic: Pollution -Many Black, Latinx and poor Americans who needed relief the most never got a stimulus check: study -Dr. Fauci says it's not "dreaming" that a coronavirus vaccine could arrive by 2021 -The COVID-19 downturn triggers jump in Medicaid enrollment The Root has an explicit "News" section (theroot.com/c/news). Some titles from the site (not limited to that section): -Jamaica's Supreme Court Rules That School Can Ban Child With Dreadlocks (No, We're Not Kidding) -Protests Planned in St. Louis, Mo. After New Prosecutor Says He Won't Make Criminal Charges in Police Killing of Michael Brown -Brooklyn Man Sentenced to 10 Years for Hate Crime Against Black Woman -After a Summer of Social Media Trolling By Gen Z, Trump Says He's Going to Ban TikTok From America -Rumored VP Candidate Rep. Karen Bass Explains Video of Her Praising Church of Scientology, Denounces Fidel Castro -Michigan Appeals Court Grants Release of Black Girl Who Was Detained After Not Doing Online Homework Vox: -The slow-motion 2020 election disaster states are scrambling to prevent, explained -The US ambassador to Brazil reportedly asked Brazilian officials to help Trump’s reelection -Scientists have backed away from the worst-case climate scenario — and the best one too -“The end of arms control as we know it” -Polls: Biden and Trump are nearly tied in North Carolina and Georgia -As coronavirus cases increase worldwide, an Australian state is imposing tough new restrictions -Lawmakers still “not close” to a coronavirus stimulus deal, a day after $600 federal relief expired Huffpost also has a "News" section (the most prominent of all). Some titles taken straight from their front page: -Coronavirus Live Updates: Read The Latest About The COVID-19 Outbreak -Top Health Official: Time To ‘Move On’ From Hydroxychloroquine Efficacy Claims -College Athletes Threaten To Skip Season Over COVID-19, Racial Justice Demands -Watchdog Calls For Probe Amid Fears Of ‘Voter Suppression Tactics’ Through Postal Service -Thousands Ordered To Evacuate As Wildfires Scorch Southern California -Navy SEALS Investigate Video Of Dogs Attacking Colin Kaepernick Stand-In The very first section of Slate is titled "News & Politics". A few titles from that section: -The US Takes On TikTok -The Republican National Convention in Charlotte Will Be Closed to the Press -Arizona Congressman Tests Positive for COVID-19, Blasts Republicans Who Don’t Wear Masks -Hundreds of Coronavirus Infections at Georgia Camp Raise Tough Questions About Schools Reopening -EU Extends Ban on Dangerous Foreign Travelers (Americans) In sum, there's no way to claim these are not news sites.

fock 6y ago
nothing in "investigative reporting, commentary, criticism, and provocative personal essays" is, what I consider news. q.e.d. vox.com: "Vox explains the news.". No shroud of being objective here either. q.e.d. slate.com: "we are a general-interest publication offering analysis and commentary about politics, news, business, technology, and culture" general interest is vague, but no non-commented news here either, q.e.d. the root has a category "news", but if you visit their main page you see, it's just a sort of "community news-ticker" (like any political page has) and I don't see them making claims to universality. Compare that to Breitbart mingling everything there is into their political agend and explicitly stating: "truthful reporting", ... , "Breitbart News is one of America’s leading news organizations." leaves the huffpost which is laughable by design.
- rbecker 6y ago
  > nothing in "investigative reporting, [..]" is, what I consider news. q.e.d. At this point I don't think there's anything I can say that will convince you. But yes, if you invent some contrived definition of "news site" that disqualifies every left-wing site, only right-wing ones remain. And I don't understand how that is even relevant to the article - as long as you can "get your news" from some source, that's enough. It doesn't have to pass some made-up purity test of what qualifies as a news site, because readers won't be applying that test. To pretend only right-wing sites share news and opinion for free is just willful blindness.