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Does anyone know how caches and the internet archive are legal? I mean like some dude wrote this article (to I guess drive traffic to his website or freelancin

by geokon 6y ago

Does anyone know how caches and the internet archive are legal? I mean like some dude wrote this article (to I guess drive traffic to his website or freelancing work or for whatever reason) and then people are just straight up copying it over to their servers and redistributing his work. I'm just wondering what the legal mechanism is

pyb 6y ago
Not everybody likes to hear it, but archive.is is an illegal operation. In some countries, posting archive.is links may even be illegal as well (it might be interpreted by a court as "Aiding and Abetting Criminal Copyright Infringement")
- slim 6y ago
  is it still illegal if it's the exact same page including ads (revenues go to the source) ?
  - rjmunro 6y ago
    It may or may not be illegal, but including the ads is unlikely to make any difference. It's generally not thought to be illegal, see for example: https://www.practicalecommerce.com/Search-Engines-Indexing-and-Copyright-Law https://www.practicalecommerce.com/Search-Engines-Indexing-a...
    - geokon 6y ago
      hmm, indexing and linking seem intrinsically different from hosting a direct copy of a website. You request a webpage, the server gives it to you. It seems reasonable that you can then look at it, inspect it, quote it etc. (like a newspaper or a book at the bookstore). But re-hosting the content whole-sale seems quite different? Or maybe I'm not seeing some subtly as to why they're equivalent
- syshum 6y ago
  how i archive.is illegal but Way Back machine not? Seems odd that you isolate a single archive service as illegal instead of saying "Internet Archiving is an illegal operation"
  - pyb 6y ago
    Archive.is bypasses paywalls and does not honor takedown requests. Copyright infringement is what it's designed for. As you said, bona fide archiving happens on archive.org
    - syshum 6y ago
      I disagree that the purpose of archive.is is "Copyright infringement", I have argued the archive.org should not honor take down requests and should challenge them in court, as it ceased to be a true archive if at anytime anyone can just remove things they do not like from the archive. DMCA abuse on archive.org is a real problem for controversial issues today
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034596.
- geokon 6y ago
  thanks! didn't mean to derail things. It grew bigger than I expected. Thought I'd get a short quick link

by geokon 6y ago

pyb 6y ago

Not everybody likes to hear it, but archive.is is an illegal operation. In some countries, posting archive.is links may even be illegal as well (it might be interpreted by a court as "Aiding and Abetting Criminal Copyright Infringement")

slim 6y ago
is it still illegal if it's the exact same page including ads (revenues go to the source) ?
- rjmunro 6y ago
  It may or may not be illegal, but including the ads is unlikely to make any difference. It's generally not thought to be illegal, see for example: https://www.practicalecommerce.com/Search-Engines-Indexing-and-Copyright-Law https://www.practicalecommerce.com/Search-Engines-Indexing-a...
  - geokon 6y ago
    hmm, indexing and linking seem intrinsically different from hosting a direct copy of a website. You request a webpage, the server gives it to you. It seems reasonable that you can then look at it, inspect it, quote it etc. (like a newspaper or a book at the bookstore). But re-hosting the content whole-sale seems quite different? Or maybe I'm not seeing some subtly as to why they're equivalent
syshum 6y ago
how i archive.is illegal but Way Back machine not? Seems odd that you isolate a single archive service as illegal instead of saying "Internet Archiving is an illegal operation"
- pyb 6y ago
  Archive.is bypasses paywalls and does not honor takedown requests. Copyright infringement is what it's designed for. As you said, bona fide archiving happens on archive.org
  - syshum 6y ago
    I disagree that the purpose of archive.is is "Copyright infringement", I have argued the archive.org should not honor take down requests and should challenge them in court, as it ceased to be a true archive if at anytime anyone can just remove things they do not like from the archive. DMCA abuse on archive.org is a real problem for controversial issues today

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034596 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24034596.

geokon 6y ago
thanks! didn't mean to derail things. It grew bigger than I expected. Thought I'd get a short quick link