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I'm surprised nobody in the Eurozone has raised similar issues about Adobe.

dogma1138 6y ago
Currently in the Eurozone you need to submit autodesk formats to get your building permissions and certifications approved. Architecture is a protected profession in the EU and you’ll be surprised just how many architects from construction firms do nothing more than to trace plans they got from interior design and other architecture firms in a PDF format in autocad. There are a few gems on the autodesk forums where people asking for line trace capability then getting replies that basically saying well if it did that well be out of a job.
- ur-whale 6y ago
  Having recently interacted with Architects that are strictly stuck on using Autocad (that's all they know, from University and through their whole career), I can testify to the accuracy of that statement. Also, trying to communicate with them with anything outside of a PDF is damn near impossible. The very idea of them sending a 3D file to their customers scares them shitless.
  - roel_v 6y ago
    I put in my contracts with architects that I want the source files to any drawings they make. Not a single one has ever refused to work with me for that reason. Surveyors, too.
sfvisser 6y ago
Europe should build their own software. Instead of complaining about US monopolies the EU should stimulate innovative startups right here. Create an environment where talent doesn’t flee to the US. And if it’s not about creating multi-billion dollar/euro companies, but civil liberties and data protection: just invest some spare pennies in open source alternatives. The only reason US (and Chinese) tech companies form a threat to European citizens is because for some reasons we have zero local alternatives.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Europe does build its own software. And anything even remotely successful then gets acquired by some US entity.
  - iagovar 6y ago
    This has been a common theme. Dassault owns CATIA and Solidworks tough, and they've been used a lot in Europe.
    - ur-whale 6y ago
      Ever tried to use CATIA? Best thing there is if you want a head trip back to the 70's
      - iagovar 6y ago
        Probably, but Solidworks is quite well regarded.
    - choonway 6y ago
      used CATIA - it's like C compared to the host of the fad languages out there.
  - jfim 6y ago
    Dassault does both Catia and Solidworks, and as far as I know, they're French.
- Keyframe 6y ago
  Isn't ArchiCAD european?
  - peterbozso 6y ago
    It is, it's Hungarian.
- bleepblorp 6y ago
muro 6y ago
There is this one: https://www.allplan.com/us_en/ https://www.allplan.com/us_en/ Not an architect myself, but heard good things.

Currently in the Eurozone you need to submit autodesk formats to get your building permissions and certifications approved. Architecture is a protected profession in the EU and you’ll be surprised just how many architects from construction firms do nothing more than to trace plans they got from interior design and other architecture firms in a PDF format in autocad. There are a few gems on the autodesk forums where people asking for line trace capability then getting replies that basically saying well if it did that well be out of a job.

ur-whale 6y ago
Having recently interacted with Architects that are strictly stuck on using Autocad (that's all they know, from University and through their whole career), I can testify to the accuracy of that statement. Also, trying to communicate with them with anything outside of a PDF is damn near impossible. The very idea of them sending a 3D file to their customers scares them shitless.
- roel_v 6y ago
  I put in my contracts with architects that I want the source files to any drawings they make. Not a single one has ever refused to work with me for that reason. Surveyors, too.

sfvisser 6y ago

Europe should build their own software. Instead of complaining about US monopolies the EU should stimulate innovative startups right here. Create an environment where talent doesn’t flee to the US. And if it’s not about creating multi-billion dollar/euro companies, but civil liberties and data protection: just invest some spare pennies in open source alternatives. The only reason US (and Chinese) tech companies form a threat to European citizens is because for some reasons we have zero local alternatives.

jacquesm 6y ago
Europe does build its own software. And anything even remotely successful then gets acquired by some US entity.
- iagovar 6y ago
  This has been a common theme. Dassault owns CATIA and Solidworks tough, and they've been used a lot in Europe.
  - ur-whale 6y ago
    Ever tried to use CATIA? Best thing there is if you want a head trip back to the 70's
    - iagovar 6y ago
      Probably, but Solidworks is quite well regarded.
  - choonway 6y ago
    used CATIA - it's like C compared to the host of the fad languages out there.
- jfim 6y ago
  Dassault does both Catia and Solidworks, and as far as I know, they're French.
Keyframe 6y ago
Isn't ArchiCAD european?
- peterbozso 6y ago
  It is, it's Hungarian.
bleepblorp 6y ago

muro 6y ago

There is this one: https://www.allplan.com/us_en/ https://www.allplan.com/us_en/ Not an architect myself, but heard good things.