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>Do you think people would be more or less inclined to go to restaurants or order takeout At very least, it would help. >if there's an exponentially-growing o

by matz1 6y ago

>Do you think people would be more or less inclined to go to restaurants or order takeout At very least, it would help. >if there's an exponentially-growing out-of-control pandemic sweeping their city? yes case its growing because there is more testing but for majority the case its either asymptotic or only mild symptom. >All of those telecommuting workers are going to keep telecommuting Sure but doesn't mean they won't go to restaurant. I'm wfh but still go to restaurant.

xxpor 6y ago
"there's more cases because we're going more testing" might be the most uninformed take there is.
- matz1 6y ago
  How is it uninformed ?
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    It’s uninformed because the US has a way higher rate of positive cases per 1000 cases than the rest of the world.
    - matz1 6y ago
      And how do u get that number that if not because of testing ?
      - fredophile 6y ago
        Testing didn't make those people sick; It just revealed how many people are actually sick. I only have anecdotes but my understanding is that it can still be hard to get tested in some areas. That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it. Increased testing should allow us to test less likely people so the percentage of positive tests should drop with increased testing. Testing also isn't the only indicator we have but the results of the others lag behind testing. Other useful indicators include the number of hospitalizations for covid patients and excess deaths.
        matz1 6y ago
        >Testing didn't make those people sick; I didn't say testing make people stick. > It just revealed how many people are actually sick Testing doesn't reveal how many people are actually sick. A lot of people tested positive but never get sick. >That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it It was hard to get testing before but its relatively easier now. A lot of people get tested despite they never have a symptom. A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason.
        fredophile 6y ago
        > I didn't say testing make people stick. You said that there are more cases because we're doing more testing. That's wrong. Testing doesn't change the number of infections; It only changes the number of infections we know about. > A lot of people tested positive but never get sick. If you're infected but asymptomatic or have mild symptoms you're still sick. > It was hard to get testing before but its relatively easier now. A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason. "Relatively" doesn't mean much when testing was abysmal before. > A lot of people get tested despite they never have a symptom. Where is this happening? Where in the US are there enough tests that anyone that wants a test can get one? > A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason. Hospitals are a unique situation. They have a lot of people there that are at risk of severe complications if they catch COVID but at the same time have to deal with anyone from the public being able to enter the hospital at any time. It makes sense that they would take special precautions that are not necessary or appropriate elsewhere.
        matz1 6y ago
        Obviously I was referring to confirmed case, the more testing you have, the more confirmed case you have. >If you're infected but asymptomatic or have mild symptoms you're still sick. Sure for mild symptoms but if you don't have any symptoms you are not sick. >Where is this happening? Where in the US are there enough tests that anyone that wants a test can get one? At least in texas you can have test if you want anytime, you may have to pay though. >Hospitals are a unique situation. They have a lot of people there that are at risk of severe complications if they catch COVID but at the same time have to deal with anyone from the public being able to enter the hospital at any time. It makes sense that they would take special precautions that are not necessary or appropriate elsewhere Sure, we already know the covid spread easily, but we also know for the majority of cases it either asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. The damage caused by lockdown are way more than the covid. Lockdown create bigger problem then it solves.
    - EricE 6y ago
      lol - the recording and reporting of stats is all over the place with many in the media slanting things because fear sells. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ Sweden didn't kill their economy and they didn't all die either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-YkFyH701Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-YkFyH701Q At this point it's more about fear and power than "science!" :p
  - sosborn 6y ago
    Does the number of tests influence the number of deaths?
    - EricE 6y ago
      The stats are being misrepresented horribly - for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ
      - DanBC 6y ago
        What are the all cause mortality figures? Howany dead bodies are there, and how did those people die if not from covid?
      - jnwatson 6y ago
        https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm This suggests that NY undercounted COVID deaths by 22%, comparing all-cause mortality.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    How is it not uninformed? "The great thing about science is it doesn't need you to believe in it to be true." Test or don't test, the infected would still be infected. Only without testing they would not know they were infected and much greater risk of spreading it.
  - cmurf 6y ago
    The number of actual cases is unrelated to testing. Tests confirm cases, within a margin of error, and short of 100% coverage the confirmed cases is obviously a small number than actual cases.
    - matz1 6y ago
      obviously I was referring to confirmed case.
- ars 6y ago
  How do you explain such a high case rate and yet deaths are similar to other countries with far fewer cases? The case rate is easy to manipulate with changes in testing rate. The death rate is hard to manipulate.
  - matz1 6y ago
    even death rate can be easy to manipulate. Someone had a car accident while also tested positive for covid -> death by covid.
    - fredophile 6y ago
      Excess deaths is a better measure and more consistent. If last year you had X deaths per 100 000 people and this year you have X+Y deaths per 100 000 then you can say the number of deaths due to COVID, either directly or indirectly, is around Y per 100 000.
xsmasher 6y ago
> yes case its growing because there is more testing At least in Contra Costa County, the % positive rate is increasing (back to 10%, the highest it has ever been.) Testing more people doesn't increase the % positive rate. An increase in rate of infected people does. We do not have this under control, and rushing to reopen will just cause it to go exponential again.
- matz1 6y ago
  Obviously I was referring to confirmed case. Testing more people increase the number of confirmed case. The fact remain, if you get infected at all, majority of the cases are asymptotic or only mild symptom.

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xxpor 6y ago

"there's more cases because we're going more testing" might be the most uninformed take there is.

matz1 6y ago
How is it uninformed ?
- nemothekid 6y ago
  It’s uninformed because the US has a way higher rate of positive cases per 1000 cases than the rest of the world.
  - matz1 6y ago
    And how do u get that number that if not because of testing ?
    - fredophile 6y ago
      Testing didn't make those people sick; It just revealed how many people are actually sick. I only have anecdotes but my understanding is that it can still be hard to get tested in some areas. That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it. Increased testing should allow us to test less likely people so the percentage of positive tests should drop with increased testing. Testing also isn't the only indicator we have but the results of the others lag behind testing. Other useful indicators include the number of hospitalizations for covid patients and excess deaths.
      - matz1 6y ago
        >Testing didn't make those people sick; I didn't say testing make people stick. > It just revealed how many people are actually sick Testing doesn't reveal how many people are actually sick. A lot of people tested positive but never get sick. >That implies that tests are being used on people we're pretty sure have it It was hard to get testing before but its relatively easier now. A lot of people get tested despite they never have a symptom. A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason.
        fredophile 6y ago
        > I didn't say testing make people stick. You said that there are more cases because we're doing more testing. That's wrong. Testing doesn't change the number of infections; It only changes the number of infections we know about. > A lot of people tested positive but never get sick. If you're infected but asymptomatic or have mild symptoms you're still sick. > It was hard to get testing before but its relatively easier now. A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason. "Relatively" doesn't mean much when testing was abysmal before. > A lot of people get tested despite they never have a symptom. Where is this happening? Where in the US are there enough tests that anyone that wants a test can get one? > A lot of hospital test all patient coming to hospital get tested despite they come for different reason. Hospitals are a unique situation. They have a lot of people there that are at risk of severe complications if they catch COVID but at the same time have to deal with anyone from the public being able to enter the hospital at any time. It makes sense that they would take special precautions that are not necessary or appropriate elsewhere.
        matz1 6y ago
        Obviously I was referring to confirmed case, the more testing you have, the more confirmed case you have. >If you're infected but asymptomatic or have mild symptoms you're still sick. Sure for mild symptoms but if you don't have any symptoms you are not sick. >Where is this happening? Where in the US are there enough tests that anyone that wants a test can get one? At least in texas you can have test if you want anytime, you may have to pay though. >Hospitals are a unique situation. They have a lot of people there that are at risk of severe complications if they catch COVID but at the same time have to deal with anyone from the public being able to enter the hospital at any time. It makes sense that they would take special precautions that are not necessary or appropriate elsewhere Sure, we already know the covid spread easily, but we also know for the majority of cases it either asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. The damage caused by lockdown are way more than the covid. Lockdown create bigger problem then it solves.
  - EricE 6y ago
    lol - the recording and reporting of stats is all over the place with many in the media slanting things because fear sells. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ Sweden didn't kill their economy and they didn't all die either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-YkFyH701Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-YkFyH701Q At this point it's more about fear and power than "science!" :p
- sosborn 6y ago
  Does the number of tests influence the number of deaths?
  - EricE 6y ago
    The stats are being misrepresented horribly - for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5Gfbu0lWQ
    - DanBC 6y ago
      What are the all cause mortality figures? Howany dead bodies are there, and how did those people die if not from covid?
    - jnwatson 6y ago
      https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm This suggests that NY undercounted COVID deaths by 22%, comparing all-cause mortality.
- dylan604 6y ago
  How is it not uninformed? "The great thing about science is it doesn't need you to believe in it to be true." Test or don't test, the infected would still be infected. Only without testing they would not know they were infected and much greater risk of spreading it.
- cmurf 6y ago
  The number of actual cases is unrelated to testing. Tests confirm cases, within a margin of error, and short of 100% coverage the confirmed cases is obviously a small number than actual cases.
  - matz1 6y ago
    obviously I was referring to confirmed case.
ars 6y ago
How do you explain such a high case rate and yet deaths are similar to other countries with far fewer cases? The case rate is easy to manipulate with changes in testing rate. The death rate is hard to manipulate.
- matz1 6y ago
  even death rate can be easy to manipulate. Someone had a car accident while also tested positive for covid -> death by covid.
  - fredophile 6y ago
    Excess deaths is a better measure and more consistent. If last year you had X deaths per 100 000 people and this year you have X+Y deaths per 100 000 then you can say the number of deaths due to COVID, either directly or indirectly, is around Y per 100 000.

xsmasher 6y ago

> yes case its growing because there is more testing At least in Contra Costa County, the % positive rate is increasing (back to 10%, the highest it has ever been.) Testing more people doesn't increase the % positive rate. An increase in rate of infected people does. We do not have this under control, and rushing to reopen will just cause it to go exponential again.

matz1 6y ago
Obviously I was referring to confirmed case. Testing more people increase the number of confirmed case. The fact remain, if you get infected at all, majority of the cases are asymptotic or only mild symptom.